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2015 Sugar Bowl Less Civilized Thread (Arguments/Shenanigans)

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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
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With CAD it's the journey, not the final destination that's important. And I'd be worried if indeed, he actually is trying. ok, that's a lie.
 
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OSUK said:
A couple of things have been going through my mind in relation to what some are saying about this game.

One is what some ESPN personalities have said about Urban at the Bama-ND BCSNCG when he was their employee. He was noting what a fine looking football team Alabama had. Subsequently, Herbstreit said that Urban told him that he intended to build a team at Ohio State that could compete with that Alabama team. We have watched this happen. It would be interesting to know whether Urban thinks he is there. I, like many, felt like he was a year away. They do seem to need a little more quality DL depth. The red shirts seem to have the LB and secondary positions stocked for the next several years. The offense seems to be in great shape as far as QB's (a massive understatement) and skill players, although if Zeke would go down, I think we are still a little thin behind him. We saw an elite looking team look it's best in the B1G CG. Did a light go on, did that beatdown have as much to do with Wisky as it did OSU, was it an abberation, or was it the merging of ridiculous talent with experience and the right motivation? More importantly, can they replicate that performance on Jan 1? The answers to those questions is what really intrigues me about this game.

Another thing is the intangibles question: who has the greater or better motivation? Alabama feels like it should win the NC every year, and since it didn't last year, they are hungry. Ohio State is the slow big-oafy school according to our friends to the south, their conference is [Mark May], they would have finished 4th in the SEC West, they are perennially over-rated, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ad nauseum. Urban says he wants an angry team. I don't know about the players, but I have had my fill of it. There hasn't been anything to say because Ohio State and the B1G hasn't won games against those people. But here they get mighty Bama served up on a silver platter. They can undo all of that in a span of 3 hours or so. Here's hoping I see smoke coming out of their ears running onto the field, and that they treat Bama like they have been soiling their mothers, sisters, and girlfriends. Amen.
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Alabama's success isn't based solely on talent and certain types of players at certain positions. There have been many teams over the decades that have had the horses in the right spots and still had very little "sustained" success.

Urban Meyer doesn't have the ability to form a cohesive and tight group of men in the same way that Saban does. Saban has developed a culture at Alabama, over and above the phenomenal players that he recruits. Players go through extensive psychological screenings and are provided with motivational help and guidance from professionals who are leaders in their field.

They are molded into football machines, not only physically, but mentally. Players fear Saban and, most importantly, wish to please him with their performances. Once you have players at a point where they are not playing to only win, but playing to impress their coach, you have a group of men that are hard to handle.

Frankly, Meyer's personality doesn't command this from his players. He doesn't have control in the same fashion Saban does. Meyer left Florida a total wreck. He isn't a man to lead others and can only sustain success in short time periods.

http://bit.ly/1CypSYx (Sporting News)

Now those issues have surfaced for all to see. Left in the wake of Meyer’s resignation were problems that can destroy a coaching career: drug use among players, a philosophy of preferential treatment for certain players, a sense of entitlement among all players and roster management by scholarship manipulation.
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This is the very same thing that will eventually happen to OSU. Short term success at the price of long term stability.

I have no doubt that this game will be a tough one but, I also have no doubt which team will pull together, as a unit, and find a way to win. Alabama's leader is a better leader of men and his personality is stronger and he leaves nothing to chance.
 
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kujirakira said:
Here I figured it was some kind of statement about their deep-seated dislike of Democracy in preference for a Christian Theocracy.
It was that or an appreciation of the Ptolemaic victory at Raphia using elephants transported up the Red Sea. But presuming any of them know history prior to the slave trade is just too implausible.
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Considering those in the North and Midwest were slave-owners for a couple hundred years before those in the Deep South, I'm not too sure I would use that juxtaposition.

Also, it seems as if you are attempting to use this thread as yet another platform for immature sniping. I thought the other thread was for that.
 
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CtrlAltDel said:
Alabama's success isn't based solely on talent and certain types of players at certain positions. There have been many teams over the decades that have had the horses in the right spots and still had very little "sustained" success.

Urban Meyer doesn't have the ability to form a cohesive and tight group of men in the same way that Saban does. Saban has developed a culture at Alabama, over and above the phenomenal players that he recruits. .
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I guess that would explain Saban's massive success at Sparty, eh?
 
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