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Game Thread 2015 Sugar Bowl: (1) Alabama vs. (4) Ohio State, Jan 1st @ 8:30p ET, ESPN (civilized thread)

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jwinslow said:
Which is where Jalin Marshall becomes a monster weapon. A lot of good defenses looked very stupid because of tracking him (on the option or simply playaction fakes by using him in motion).

That opened up gigantic lanes for EzE and occasionally the QB to find open spaces vacated by the many bodies tracking and running with Jalin. That applies to rushing and playaction passes.

That's what makes OSU difficult to defend and why they've had so much success despite switching QBs many times. Yes Cardale played out of his mind but the varied and similar looks that Herman gives the defense puts them in great situations.
I'm not sure if I agree with that. I think Cardale needs to be more decisive and competent at operating the option to beat Bama. I do not think he needs to be a dynamic runner.

Frankly JT was just a solid runner for a good chunk of this season but he was so efficient, smart and physical that it didn't matter.
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If he's not going to be blazing fast, he needs to be deadly accurate. I think deadly accurate could get you thirty points. Blazing fast and accurate like nick marshall obviously gets you 44.

I think if OSU can connect deep in the second half, that will be key. Auburn was slowed greatly in the second against bama compared to the first. They had 18 second half points, but the last td and two pt conversion had a very "garbage time" feel.

I guess what you may be saying is that your H back can provide the speed that marshall did for auburn. I can see that happening. I don't know the X's and O's enough to know the best way to execute it or gameplan for it though.
 
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We probably would've been a top 10 defense if our starters played more but since we got out to such big leads many times our back ups were in for most of the 2nd half. If I have one concern about our defense its our depth because our backups in the front 7 aren't what we want riight now. If bama is able to lean on the ground game by the 4th quarter our front 7 may be quite wore out. We need our back ups who are talented to step up because for the year more often than not they haven't.

Washington has been great all year too but the inigma for our defensive front has been the other end opposite of Bosa. Too many times our other ends such as Miller/Frazier get hemmed in on outside runs and if I was bama I would attack those two ruthlessly because the other three are really good.

This has been a what if year for our defense... we just have had far too many breakdowns over the course of the year. Thankfully the secondary corrected all of their issues after cincinnati and outside of one big pass play from Maryland have done well.

The run defense has been plagued by inconsistent linebacker play on fills and poor angles by our safeties. We can look dominant for long stretches then give up 4 straight plays of 10+ yards. Unlike the pass defense we haven't really fixed these problems until our game against Wisconsin. I highly doubted we would stop wisconsin as we did due to our tendancies and whether that translates who knows.

Overall we had to learn a lot of lessons on defense the hardway. Our secondary is our strength right now and that's aided by our pass rush. It all depends on what our backers do though because if they are forming a wall like against wisconsin they have the potential to be great.
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
Have you heard anything about TD losing weight? I forget where I read it but he's apparently down 5 and looking to shave a total of 15 by gameday.
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I've heard it, but I really thought it was a joke. Is there truth to it?

People have been saying he looked pudgy all year. I've never seen him outside of pads, so I don't know if he really is chunky.

I'm a 6' tall 160 lb nerd, so I'm not too quick to judge another man's physique, but my understanding is that depriest has the weight to lose.
 
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Gcashwell said:
If he's not going to be blazing fast, he needs to be deadly accurate. I think deadly accurate could get you thirty points. Blazing fast and accurate like nick marshall obviously gets you 44.

I think if OSU can connect deep in the second half, that will be key. Auburn was slowed greatly in the second against bama compared to the first. They had 18 second half points, but the last td and two pt conversion had a very "garbage time" feel.

I guess what you may be saying is that your H back can provide the speed that marshall did for auburn. I can see that happening. I don't know the X's and O's enough to know the best way to execute it or gameplan for it though.
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This is a biased opinion, but Cameron Artis-Payne is not nearly as capable as Zeke Elliot.

Where Auburn couldn't produce in the late game on the run Elliot will have more success.
 
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SloopyHangOn said:
This is a biased opinion, but Cameron Artis-Payne is not nearly as capable as Zeke Elliot.

Where Auburn couldn't produce in the late game on the run Elliot will have more success.
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Artis-Payne was a bit of a disappointment this year. He was good, but made the wrong reads sometimes and didn't hit his holes. A lot of people didn't realize how good trey Mason was and how amazing it is that auburn was so successful without him. This was largely due to the improvements of their WRs.

Auburn couldn't produce in the late game on the run because bama made adjustments. In the games bama has lost, they plauers havent been able to implement the coaches adjustments.
 
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CookyPuss said:
Yeah, Miller has been solid but certainly not what we would have gotten out of Spence. Seemed like Frazier brought it to another level against Wiskey. I remember one play where he was hand fighting/shoving the O-lineman all over. I can't recall if he made a play on the ball on that one, but it was spectacular.
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Here's the play I was thinking of... courtesy of ElevenWarriors.

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Great breakdown of the D-line play against Whiskey there: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...the-ohio-state-d-line-shut-down-melvin-gordon
 
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CookyPuss said:
Here's the play I was thinking of... courtesy of ElevenWarriors.

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Great breakdown of the D-line play against Whiskey there: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...the-ohio-state-d-line-shut-down-melvin-gordon
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Holding. #71. Offense.

OSUs line looks pretty good there, but Is over pursuit the problem you guys are talking about with discipline? They did that in this play but the qb didn't step forward and run. I'm not sure what the down and distance was though either.
 
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I frankly don't know what to make of this match up. The Bucks started the season with an O - line that couldn't pass protect or allow sweeps to develop, but could bulldoze. By the end of the year they could do all three, but missed crucial assignments from time to time. Early in the season they had zero line backers - now they have a fleet. Overall pass defense got better with each game and Washington and Bennet improved at defensive tackle. DE Frazier came out of absolutely nowhere to be a force in the Wisconsin game. The receivers and backs improved during the season, but I'm not sure that the DBs of Michigan and Wisconsin give us any idea of how the Buckeyes will play against Alabama's back four.

The team looked like world beaters against Wisconsin, tough against Sparty and Minnie, and average against Penn State and Michigan... go figure. Some things are obvious: this team has more speed and talent than I believe most SEC fans are willing to recognize. But I can't deny that Cardale is the third string QB. There had to be a reason for that. Which also suggests that Marshall is spending much of the four weeks practicing to be the back up.

Then there's history and geography. Let's flat out call the Sugar Bowl for what it is: an Alabama home game. The Tide will have the crowd behind them. And that leads us to history. Ohio State's only bowl victory over an SEC team was Arkansas and that game was voided. Then again, what's Alabama's record outside Dixie? (and LA is south of the M-D Line extended) We'll never know cause they're not about to go there at Bowl time.

My heart says Buckeyes, but my analysis says 'bama.
 
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Gcashwell said:
Holding. #71. Offense.
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Yeah, they don't call that very often for us in the B1G.
Gcashwell said:
OSUs line looks pretty good there, but Is over pursuit the problem you guys are talking about with discipline? They did that in this play but the qb didn't step forward and run. I'm not sure what the down and distance was though either.
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This would be the worst example of the pursuit issue. Coleman (Indiana) breaking a 90 yarder. Two LBs right in the same gap. :bonk:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11919311
 
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CookyPuss said:
Yeah, they don't call that very often for us in the B1G.

This would be the worst example of the pursuit issue. Coleman (Indiana) breaking a 90 yarder. Two LBs right in the same gap. :bonk:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11919311
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This is my biggest fear with this defense. That type of aggressive rush will be heavily exploited by a QB making good decisions.
 
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Gcashwell said:
OSUs line looks pretty good there, but Is over pursuit the problem you guys are talking about with discipline? They did that in this play but the qb didn't step forward and run. I'm not sure what the down and distance was though either.
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The DL can sometimes overpursue or let the opposing OL use their athleticism against them.

The guys behind them struggle at times with pursuit angles.
 
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