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2014 TSUN Shenanigans and Arguments

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LordJeffBuck said:
Will Harbaugh be able to develop Taco Charlton into Joey Bosa?

De'Veon Smith into Ezekiel Elliot?

Mike McCray into Darron Lee?

Dymonte Thomas into Vonn Bell?

Ben Gedeon into Joshua Perry?

Kyle Kalis into Taylor Decker?

All of the Michigan players listed above were recruits that Hoke "stole" from Meyer. They all supposedly have talent, but have been average to bust so far. Can Harbaugh really be a miracle worker? And if so, how long will it take him to "develop" his talent to a level that Urban Meyer has already achieved (and will presumably maintain going forward)?

Michigan has a lot of players with recruiting "stars" but very little real talent. Not only did Hoke recruit Michigan Men - soft, lazy, entitled, lacking dedication - he also recruited as if physical talent didn't really matter. Where are the impact players? Where is the speed? Where is the athleticism? Go watch the Sugar Bowl again and tell me how many Michigan players could see playing time for either team. There is a huge talent gap between Michigan and Ohio State or Alabama, and that gap cannot be closed simply by developing the existing talent ... because there ain't that much talent there to develop.

Harbaugh has to get rid of the Michigan Man culture and then bring in real talent, the type of talent that can compete with Ohio State. That's not going to happen overnight regardless of what Harbuagh does. He'd be better off blowing up the team and starting over than trying to become bowl eligible to satisfy the insane Wolverine fans who still think that Michigan is a top-5 program. You're not even a top-25 program at this point, and you've got a long way yo go to catch up with the upstarts like Ole Miss and Kansas State and Arizona (hah!), much less the true elites like Ohio State and Michigan State and Alabama.
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I said 6-8 wins was possible with the roster..........Don't really care what other UM fans are saying. You seem to have quoted me, yet are addressing all of them :lol:. I'll let you get back to it.
 
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Harbaugh has to get rid of the Michigan Man culture and then bring in real talent, the type of talent that can compete with Ohio State.

And if they can't get a goodly part of their roster out of Ohio, AS USUAL, what then? The guy has been away from high school recruiting for how long? I believe he has an up hill sales job given the debacles of RichRod, Hokeus Pokeus and the usual we run this world fan base. Mix in some administration micromanagement and his penchant for 4 and out...gonna be interesting. If he would just hire mark may as tight end coach.
 
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Compete with tOSU? It's not like we've won every game by forty points since Hoke took over. Despite not having a single player show a tremendous amount of development in four years, they were a broken footed QB away from beating tOSU two years ago.

Fuck TSUN up, down and sideways, but Harbaugh will toughen them up and develop whatever talent is there better than Hoke.

I'm not worried, but I don't feel like we're giving him enough credit. He's a rather large step up from the Clapper, and Hoke made a couple games against us closer than i thought they should have been.
 
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BUCKYLE said:
Compete with tOSU? It's not like we've won every game by forty points since Hoke took over. Despite not having a single player show a tremendous amount of development in four years, they were a broken footed QB away from beating tOSU two years ago.

Fuck TSUN up, down and sideways, but Harbaugh will toughen them up and develop whatever talent is there better than Hoke.

I'm not worried, but I don't feel like we're giving him enough credit. He's a rather large step up from the Clapper, and Hoke made a couple games against us closer than i thought they should have been.
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Not really disagreeing that Harbaugh will keep the rivalry close, but when it comes to The Game, the delta between Hoke and Harbaugh isn't as large as the general delta between the two. In other words, Hoke somehow seemed to be able to get his team up for The Game when he was at Michigan, whereas in a lot of other games (Maryland, Rutgers and Minnesota, last year to name a few), both Hoke and his players seemed like they could not have cared less about the outcome.
 
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I'm hoping that's the biggest difference. Harbaugh "should" have the players up for every game. Not just one a year. But who knows. Still hasn't finished off the staff, let alone coach a game yet.


But it's a good distraction from the bball team right now. :lol:
 
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buckeyesin07 said:
Not really disagreeing that Harbaugh will keep the rivalry close, but when it comes to The Game, the delta between Hoke and Harbaugh isn't as large as the general delta between the two. In other words, Hoke somehow seemed to be able to get his team up for The Game when he was at Michigan, whereas in a lot of other games (Maryland, Rutgers and Minnesota, last year to name a few), both Hoke and his players seemed like they could not have cared less about the outcome.
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I can't imagine the dude that guaranteed a victory when he played won't have his team jacked for The Game as well.
 
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Hoke was the anti-cooper. Bith recruited well, but where cooper's teams always played worse in the game hoke's always overachieved in it. Expecting tsun to play significantly better vs osu under harbaugh might not be a good idea. They should be better vs the rest of their schedule though.
 
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