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2014 SEC Discussion and Division Races

That is interesting that Silve would open his mouth publicly.... Tejas people have been talking about this since the beginning of the year, a Division IV, if you will, where the top 60 or so school make their own rules and leave the NCAA behind.


Slive plays things so dang close to the vest, he wouldn't run his mouth if he didn't get thumbs up from other Commissioners.

The "Top 60" scenario is exciting because it sets up well for the "Relegation" system similar to the EPL.
Pundits have always batted around the idea of relegating programs, but a DIV IV could allign the stars to make it happen.

First to be relegated: Georgia Tech
 
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Slive plays things so dang close to the vest, he wouldn't run his mouth if he didn't get thumbs up from other Commissioners.

The "Top 60" scenario is exciting because it sets up well for the "Relegation" system similar to the EPL.
Pundits have always batted around the idea of relegating programs, but a DIV IV could allign the stars to make it happen.

First to be relegated: Georgia Tech
:slappy:

TOO much money at stake for relegation. Relegation should be instituted in the professional ranks but it has about as much chance as a snowball in hell of working its way into US sports system, professional or amateur .
 
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I would like to see a separation. They can break from the NCAA. Pay the athletes and get the rights to sell their likenesses and do some proactive payment to past athletes. That way it doesn't force the other schools into a financial situation they can't handle.

Have a conference champion tournament with a play-in game for the worst two teams.

NCAA will do anything it can to keep the basketball tournament.
 
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I would like to see a separation. They can break from the NCAA. Pay the athletes and get the rights to sell their likenesses and do some proactive payment to past athletes. That way it doesn't force the other schools into a financial situation they can't handle.

Have a conference champion tournament with a play-in game for the worst two teams.

NCAA will do anything it can to keep the basketball tournament.
kiss goodbye to the vast majority of non-revenue student athletes (who represent the overwhelming majority of the athletes truly pursuing majors)
 
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I would like to see a separation. They can break from the NCAA. Pay the athletes and get the rights to sell their likenesses and do some proactive payment to past athletes. That way it doesn't force the other schools into a financial situation they can't handle.

Have a conference champion tournament with a play-in game for the worst two teams.

NCAA will do anything it can to keep the basketball tournament.

You are more likely to see full ride scholarships go away entirely than you will any scenario that benefits football at the expense of the non-revenue sports.
 
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:slappy:

TOO much money at stake for relegation. Relegation should be instituted in the professional ranks but it has about as much chance as a snowball in hell of working its way into US sports system, professional or amateur .

The top tier of English football has WAY more money at stake than American college football does. They bring in nearly as much if not slightly more revenue from TV alone than the top college athletics programs do in total revenue from all sports.

https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/466572990562725890/photo/1

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/schools/finances/

The reason this will never happen is more cultural and geographical than financial.
 
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I would like to see a separation. They can break from the NCAA. Pay the athletes and get the rights to sell their likenesses and do some proactive payment to past athletes. That way it doesn't force the other schools into a financial situation they can't handle.

Have a conference champion tournament with a play-in game for the worst two teams.

NCAA will do anything it can to keep the basketball tournament.
We already have that. It's called the NFL. Be very careful in what you wish for.
 
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We already have that. It's called the NFL. Be very careful in what you wish for.
I am against paying the athletes, but seeing as the judge in the ongoing case doesn't even know the difference between bcs and fbs I think the athletes are going to win. I just think that if they have to pay the players or allow them make money off of other things the NCAA can't do it across the board. It will kill the entire system. Whereas if the big 5 conferences separate they can afford to pay all athletes on some sort of scale that doesn't give some schools an advantage while maintaining all of their athletics programs. Then the NCAA schools can continue unaffected with the current system.
 
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I am against paying the athletes, but seeing as the judge in the ongoing case doesn't even know the difference between bcs and fbs I think the athletes are going to win. I just think that if they have to pay the players or allow them make money off of other things the NCAA can't do it across the board. It will kill the entire system. Whereas if the big 5 conferences separate they can afford to pay all athletes on some sort of scale that doesn't give some schools an advantage while maintaining all of their athletics programs. Then the NCAA schools can continue unaffected with the current system.
I hear you, but the reason the NCAA came into existence was because the schools couldn't police themselves. Given the amount of money involved, given the passion for their school's team(s) of folks like me who spend a fair chunk of time on sites like this, given jock sniffing bozos with money to waste, given the abuses we see and those we don't see in the current system, it would take someone with mustard seed optimism to see this as leading to something that works.
 
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/sportsnow/la-sp-sn-usc-alabama-football-2016-20140514-story.html


FWIW - USC and Alabama close to a deal to kick off the 2016 season in Jerry World.
The Bama motto: play historically great team with a rich history in a down decade. Log the easy win and in 10 years when we look back we just see: look at Alabama killing all these great teams year after year. Penn state, ttun, va tech (kind of) and USC. Next it will be Texas and then Nebraska. But Bama will have to be quick before either of them get good again.
 
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The Bama motto: play historically great team with a rich history in a down decade. Log the easy win and in 10 years when we look back we just see: look at Alabama killing all these great teams year after year. Penn state, ttun, va tech (kind of) and USC. Next it will be Texas and then Nebraska. But Bama will have to be quick before either of them get good again.


The Buckeyes have their share of down opponents too (or opponents in transition -lets say). Speaking about down Washington, down Wazzu, down Miami, down NC State, down Cal.
But Ohio State trumps Bammer in two regards:

1). Despite Alabama's dominance, they haven't played anyone OOC of the caliber of 2008-2009 USC and 2006-2007 Texas.
2). Bammer (and to a small degree Saban) prefer the route of the most fanfare. It's used as an exceptional recruiting tool. The neutral site games are always preferable since it gives the program a primo recruiting draw. With the SEC and other conferences going to a nine game schedule, me thinks the majority of home and home series are going the way of the dodo.
 
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The Bama motto: play historically great team with a rich history in a down decade. Log the easy win and in 10 years when we look back we just see: look at Alabama killing all these great teams year after year. Penn state, ttun, va tech (kind of) and USC. Next it will be Texas and then Nebraska. But Bama will have to be quick before either of them get good again.
Is that bama's fault? Tech was good when they played them I remember because I was at that game. All these games were made a few years in advance and at least they are willing to play these teams.

Besides what about us? Washington, Nc state, Miami and Cal were once really solid teams (Cal was like 2nd ranked in the nation with Rogers as QB) so do you consider us picking on has beens? No we are scheduling traditionally solid to great teams but its up to those teams once we schedule them to maintain their talent

I applaud Bama for their willingness to play a big team about once per year. Now the rest of their Non conference slate blows but they do play at least one good team.
 
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Is that bama's fault? Tech was good when they played them I remember because I was at that game. All these games were made a few years in advance and at least they are willing to play these teams.

Besides what about us? Washington, Nc state, Miami and Cal were once really solid teams (Cal was like 2nd ranked in the nation with Rogers as QB) so do you consider us picking on has beens? No we are scheduling traditionally solid to great teams but its up to those teams once we schedule them to maintain their talent

I applaud Bama for their willingness to play a big team about once per year. Now the rest of their Non conference slate blows but they do play at least one good team.
I would never consider ncstate wazzu Washington cal and to some extent Miami (similar to vatech) as great teams. Not to the same caliber as ttun penny state or USC. All 3 historic powerhouses. All 3 of those games were scheduled 1-2 years in advance. All 3 were scheduled when the team was not a powerhouse, not 5 or 10 years out and then the team unexpectedly crapped the bed. When we played USC and Texas they were still great teams. And scheduled cal before they took a head first dive off a cliff. I would be on your side if the ttun game was scheduled in 2006, not less than a year in advance. Or if the USC game was scheduled before their sanctions.

OSU the last few years has been no better, but we are admitting that the games suck instead of claiming it as a clash of two powerhouses. Bama rode that victory over the 'winningest school in football history' during the worst decade in the schools history. That domination just proved that the best of the sec was infinitely better than the best of the big ten. Yet they didn't play the best, they just played the biggest (or second biggest) name in the big ten and pretended like it was the best. 2016 USC will be billed 'the biggest game of the weekend' hyped for all of July and August and Bama will kill them and be declared the best team in the country. Then USC will finish in the middle of the pac12.

I am not trashing the sec, just Bama. I give the mad hatter some credit for playing Oregon while they are on top and wisky when they are as good as they have ever been.
 
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