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Oh8ch;2320293; said:
Fairly certain that Mike is correct on this one. For example, Slaughter was denied a 6th year after rupturing his achilles, even though ND tried to argue that he was injured his freshman year when he took the regular redshirt.
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He'd be able to argue for another year anyways. It's not like the NCAA uses reason or logic when deciding on fake medical redshirt requests.
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heisman;2320373; said:
No, Mike is not correct. Your example is a kid taking a regular redshirt year and then trying to not count it as such because he was injured.
Jake already redshirted and now an injury has cost him another season of eligibility. He has a very good case for a medical redshirt year, though the ncaa has never been predictable nor consistent with awarding them.
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jwinslow;2320381; said:
Slaughter's situation is identical to Ryan's. They both redshirted (non-medical) their freshman season. They were both injured and unable to play in a subsequent season. Slaughter did not get that season back (6th year) from the NCAA.
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The difference between Slaughter and Gardner is that Slaughter was asking for a 6 year of eligibility based a red shirt year in which Notre Dame had no significant proof that he was injured and a year in which he was injured. The NCAA wants proof that a player missed a significant portion of 2 years because of an injury before they grant a 6th year.
Gardner only asked that his 1st year be considered an injury "redshirt" and is still completing his eligibility within the 5 year window.
All this means is that Ryan is unlikely to get a 6th year.
Gardner only asked that his 1st year be considered an injury "redshirt" and is still completing his eligibility within the 5 year window.
All this means is that Ryan is unlikely to get a 6th year.
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sflbuck;2320422; said:
No one is comparing Gardner's situation to either Slaughter's or Ryan's. Having said that, you are absolutely correct in terms of the NCAA wanting a player to be injured for two seasons before granting a 6th year, which again, backs up Mike's original assertion.
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I was going by what you typed, which was that he was requesting an injury waiver based on being injured in his normal redshirt season.heisman;2320399; said:
The part that you didn't mention - and I didn't know until googling it - was that he was injured in game 3 vs MSU, and that the "injury" during his regular redshirt year was used to try and bolster his resume for a medical redshirt waiver.
He was certainly eligible for a medical redshirt request (you can only play in 20-25% of the season, and none after a certain point), but not a lock.
Ryan will miss the entire 2013 season, which will help his chances.
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Looks like you guys may be right. I was under the impression that you could get a 6th year without being injured 2 years, but a lot of links are proving me wrong:
http://www.michigandaily.com/sports/03-michigan-linebacker-jake-ryan-out-indefinitely-torn-acl-20
Below are some other examples I found, though BBall may not be the same system
Marquise Simmons - missed all but opening game in RS Senior year
Trevor Mbakwe - tore ACL in Nov of RS Senior year, granted 6th year
Shon Coleman - missed 2 years due to cancer
Gary Gillium - missed 1.5 years
Kentrell Lockett - tore ACL in 3rd game, also had to prove he was injured during redshirt year
http://www.michigandaily.com/sports/03-michigan-linebacker-jake-ryan-out-indefinitely-torn-acl-20
Below are some other examples I found, though BBall may not be the same system
Marquise Simmons - missed all but opening game in RS Senior year
Trevor Mbakwe - tore ACL in Nov of RS Senior year, granted 6th year
Shon Coleman - missed 2 years due to cancer
Gary Gillium - missed 1.5 years
Kentrell Lockett - tore ACL in 3rd game, also had to prove he was injured during redshirt year
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heisman;2320438; said:
Sorry, made the connection in my head as I was reading the thread becasue I had done a search when an business associate who was a Notre Lame fan was complaining that Gardner got an "extra"year and Slaughter was denied.
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I live in Holland (until the 12th of this month). A very small town near the lake, west of Grand Rapids. The ONLY good thing about this place is that the Buckeyes did not lose a single game while I lived here. Incidentally, I'm moving to Orange County, CA. The last game the Buckeyes played when I last lived there was in Tempe, about 10 years and 3 months ago (think Tostitos). So glad to be leaving TSUN. Even happier about being able to point and laugh at the hypocrisy on my way out.
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
DaddyBigBucks;2324699; said:
I live in Holland (until the 12th of this month). A very small town near the lake, west of Grand Rapids. The ONLY good thing about this place is that the Buckeyes did not lose a single game while I lived here. Incidentally, I'm moving to Orange County, CA. The last game the Buckeyes played when I last lived there was in Tempe, about 10 years and 3 months ago (think Tostitos). So glad to be leaving TSUN. Even happier about being able to point and laugh at the hypocrisy on my way out.
Tim Winkler sounds like a true M*ch*gan Man.
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Ryan @TheBiggestHouse
@WinklerTim you are a fucking idiot.. It don?t matter if he lives in fucking australia? it?s a violation.. Cut the shit
Tim @WinklerTim @TheBiggestHouse it's NOT a violation. It is a friend giving a friend a tat. He isn't selling it. It only becomes a violation if sale.
3:58 PM - 03 Apr 13
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Ryan @TheBiggestHouse
@WinklerTim in exchange for a signed pic? that?s a violation by definition
Tim @WinklerTim @TheBiggestHouse wrong. And btw, we are laughing on dm on how stupid you are. The pic is for him personally. To compare to Pryor is absurd
4:03 PM - 03 Apr 13
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Ryan @TheBiggestHouse @WinklerTim ya bro.. I bet your best buds with Harris.. I?m so jealous.. You?re about as stupid as they come
Tim @WinklerTim @TheBiggestHouse Now your tweets are getting personal? Dude, you tweeted US. Stop being a troll and get a life.
4:24 PM - 03 Apr 13
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TheStoicPaisano
But I didn't, so it doesn't
jwinslow;2320457; said:
The major beef I had was that Gardner:
a. traveled with the team
b. dressed out in pads/helmet with the team
c. warmed up with the team
when he was 'injured'.
The >30% rule is great if said player is injured. Blake Countess, obviously injured. Gardner, not so much, and I see Bellomy's injury as karma for trying to skirt the rules.
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