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2013 Preseason and regular polls

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Oh8ch said:
Can anyone identify a single season in the history of CFB where the 5th ranked team had a legit argument for the NC?
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I think in the very first year of the BCS, 1998, Tennesse, FSU, Ohio St, Kansas St, and UCLA all would have had a shot in a four team playoff, and four probably would not have been enough -- you'd have needed 8 slots. That was a wild last weekend when KSU was upset in the Big XII title game by A&M in 2OTs, and UCLA lost to Miami in a road game at the Orange Bowl where UCLA blew a 17 point lead with a quarter and change to play, and even still had a chance to win on the last play. There was one undefeated and four one loss teams in the Top 5; add in Arizona and Wisconsin (both would go on to win their bowls) and there were six one loss teams in the Top 10, plus undefeated Tennessee, plus Shaun King's undefeated Tulane team.

Ohio St, UCLA, or Tennessee held one of the Top 2 spots in every BCS poll but the last one, when FSU jumped to #2 because they'd jockeyed back up the human polls by the old virtue of having lost earlier than anyone else.

The only other year in the BCS era that was remotely like that with so many one loss teams at the top was 2000, but many of them had played each other (Washington beat Miami and Oregon St, Miami beat FSU, etc...), so one could at least make some sense of how to compare them.

But in 1998, UCLA beat Arizona, and that was it. All the 0-loss and 1-loss teams otherwise could not be directly connected via head-to-head games (1-loss Wisconsin and 1-loss Ohio State did not play each other).

Frankly, I am absolutely amazed the BCS got a 16-year run, because it was a disaster right out of the gate.
 
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While the BCS has plenty of flaws and fuck ups, it did get it really right a couple times.

2002 & 2005. Pre-BCS neither of those games happen, and post-BCS all four of those teams would have to play an extra game, and in both years one of those teams would've had to play a team with two losses. In 2005, Texas/USC would've played a one loss PSU and a two loss tOSU. In 2002, tOSU and Miami would've had to "earn" their title game spot by beating UGA and USC with Iowa having a chance with one loss at #5.

Can you imagine Texas having to play a two loss team they had already beat in The Shoe at night to get their title shot?

That's the biggest downside of the playoff imo. It's going to happen sooner or later. Some two loss team is going to get a rematch against a team that is undefeated that already beat them.

Fuck. That.
 
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Excellent point, BUCKYLE. I didn't know you had it in you.

I think that's a large factor in having a selection committee that will seed teams to prevent a rematch in the first round, or block two-loss teams that are rated highly in polls but have their head-to-head losses against one or two teams in the 'final four.'
 
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Dryden said:
Excellent point, BUCKYLE. I didn't know you had it in you.

I think that's a large factor in having a selection committee that will seed teams to prevent a rematch in the first round, or block two-loss teams that are rated highly in polls but have their head-to-head losses against one or two teams in the 'final four.'
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Sober-BUCKYLE scares me too. .
I just don't have enough info on how that whole thing's gonna work to get pissef off...yet.

The things that make the hoops selection committee work so well, imo, won't exist with only four teams in the playoffs.

Does anyone have any links about who's going to be on the committee, besides Condi? Or how they're going to pick the teams? If it's just up to the committee, imagine the outrageous uproar if they skip a couple teams on the AP poll for a team with a couple "good losses". There may be assassinations in the near future. :lol:
 
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It includes an AD from each conference and lead by Arkansas' AD - Jeff Long.
Big's AD is Barry Alvarez.
Leftover 10 is WVU's AD
ACC is Clemson's AD
PAC is USC's Haden

After that there's a number of personalities with connections to the military schools (a retired General who played for the chair force academy), Stanford (Condi), Oregon (Tom Jernstedt), Ole Miss (Archie Manning), Nebraska (Tom Osborne), former Big Easy commish (Mike Tranghese), a slimy ex-reporter from Missouri (Wieberg), and the coup de grace Tyrone Willingham for yet more connections to Ntre Ame, Stanford, & Washington

In short it looks we will be relying on: Alvarez, Osborne, and Tyrone Willingham to argue for us.

Make no mistake, this is a pumpkin joke... it's really not a better situation than the polls. At least those were transparent and you could get the numbers to even out *some* common sense.
This is a shadow council led by the SEC with quite a bit of Pro-PAC influence mixed in.
They're going to pick the teams by meeting 2-3 times throughout the season and basically... just picking...
 
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Oh8ch said:
Can anyone identify a single season in the history of CFB where the 5th ranked team had a legit argument for the NC?
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1973 AP Poll
1. Notre Dame........11-0-0 (beat Alabama in Sugar Bowl, 24-23)
2. Ohio State........10-0-1 (beat USC in Rose Bowl, 42-21)
3. Oklahoma..........10-0-1 (no bowl game)
4. Alabama...........11-1-0 (#1 in UPI poll; lost to Notre Dame in Sugar Bowl, 24-23)
5. Penn State........12-0-0 (beat LSU in Orange Bowl, 16-9)
6. Michigan..........10-0-1 (no bowl game)
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
1973 AP Poll
1. Notre Dame........11-0-0 (beat Alabama in Sugar Bowl, 24-23)
2. Ohio State........10-0-1 (beat USC in Rose Bowl, 42-21)
3. Oklahoma..........10-0-1 (no bowl game)
4. Alabama...........11-1-0 (#1 in UPI poll; lost to Notre Dame in Sugar Bowl, 24-23)
5. Penn State........12-0-0 (beat LSU in Orange Bowl, 16-9)
6. Michigan..........10-0-1 (no bowl game)
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without even looking I would bet a lot of money that the only team on that list with a loss actually claims a title from that season.
 
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