2012 TSUN shenanigans and arguments

[heisman]

I don't think he's saying you guys lowered anything, I believe he's trying to make the excuse that Michigan is raising theirs. It's really a silly argument, if you ask me and has not much to do with swinging and missing on some of these kids as of late.

Tsun has the lowest APR in the conference, so they have to do something. It's not like anyone's leaving early for the the NFL to skew the numbers either.

 

[NFBuck]

And the excuses begin...

http://umgoblue.com/talk/Whether-you-want-to-hear-it-or-not-m197353.aspx

you can see my response in that thread, and I stand by it.......going head to head with Meyer and getting our asses kicked has nothing to do with making ethical choices on who to recruit.

STATE!!!11!!!1!! TYPE STATE!!!! Grrrrhhhhhhgggggg!!!!11!!

 

[Beaver]

They are really starting to turn on Tom:

Wow...you can't spin this one.​

ThaRaidaz]WOW! So whomever the poster was that said what happens when we miss out on all 5 may have been correct. I beleive Tom even thought he was crazy at the time. This is rough....[/COLOR]

Let's see Beaver backtrack on this one and give you guys the "I told you so" or "We started to hint at..." or "we had a feeling..." excuse.

Anyways, here's to hoping Diamond, Henry and Mullen commit.​

He did:

"St. Eds TE

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Sam Grant

. For me, the fact that this didn't end yesterday is a little worrisome - OU has made it tough for him. He's a case that should be Blue: closer-in kid, his "teammate-tie" is at Michigan. The complicator still goes back to spring-summer where he though he had an offer and had to be told - nope, you don't."​

He also gave a better than 50/50 (including 55/45 less than a week ago), he also said he'd be somewhat surprised if we didn't get him, he also NEVER said that he didn't think Grant was coming.​

Grant was continuously put #1 on the "confidence rankings"...so your last minute quote doesn't do it for me. But then again Tom Beaver is never wrong. He can't be. He's not even human.​

...and some generic meltdowns

Okay. Now I'm [censored]ed. I'm not sure anyone can claim to be surprised when Reeves picked OSU or Kozan went elsewhere, but Sam Grant?!? A generic 3* from Cleveland who has a teammate committed to us? Who visited us twice? When we have like 2 scholarship tight ends currently attending UM? How. Does. This. Happen.​

...
here was the 8 am spin before Grant announced

Mon AM TJBlog: Tally Ho

First a final look back at the Gang of Three

These were out-or-area kids - two of whom we always saw as uphill battles - Garnett and Reeves
---- in both cases it was 'family apron-strings' that were insurmountable ... so be it.
---- we did briefly go "over 50-50" for Reeves as we were following his decision process, day by day, as best as we could -- after the Mattison visit there was a period where Michigan made-sense to him ... but then the "ties" came back in, and we tracked that for you. U-M did make up a lot of ground here (going back to spring, when Reeves and Williams visited but weren't offered, creating hard feelings {remember, the kids were even saying at the time that they WERE offered when thy weren't ... so there was that ground to make up as well ...}.

Kozan -- we, as Michigan reporters, never got a feel on that one (but, BTW, the Iowa folks DID have somewhat of a feel with the kid all-along), so we never put him over 50-50.

*For those now saying: " Hoke can't close" -- those are just haters waiting to pop out of their dark, dark holes -- ignore them. Every case, every recruitment is different, with different factors involved. And Hoke IS a natural recruiter, always has been.

*However, I for one will not say, "these kids aren't that good, no big loss" because (i) U-M wanted them badly, and (ii) it's not true anyway.

So ... it's been a rough 3 days - U-M wanted these kids, they didn't get them - simple as that.

++++++++++

Looking forward

*Recruiting BTW, IS a numbers game ... my usual caveat is "except for the Supers" - but in this case there have been TWO super-OLs on the hook, and IMO both weren't gonna come -- so this time "It's been a numbers game - period."

-- St. Eds TE Sam Grant. For me, the fact that this didn't end yesterday is a little worrisome - OU has made it tough for him. He's a case that should be Blue: closer-in kid, his "teammate-tie" is at Michigan. The complicator still goes back to spring-summer where he though he had an offer and had to be told - nope, you don't.

*We still think this is over 50-50, 51-49 ... however it could go either way (even tho, I know, some of you will blame ME if he doesn't pick U-M ... that's the weirdest part of my job BTW, makes me sometimes want to walk away from it ... we're not prognosticators but reporters)

-- IL Super OL Jordan Diamond. We think he's over 50-50 - and, in fact, IMO it'da have to have been the Wisconsin visit that changed his thinking - and so far there are no indications of this. However -- it's not in-stone either.

-- Glenville DL Willie Henry (6-2+/280+). We see this one panning out, simple as that. And ... we've always hoped there'd be another DT in this class - U-M is severely short of those.

(-- will U-M go back in on Chris Muller? Or will they decide to go All-In on Diamond ... we'll see ... point being, however - Muller has shown interest)

...
and afterwards

another RIP (Grant's tomb) -- (And - Back to the Future)

Sam Grant RIP

In the end, the offer-thing in the spring was too big a hurdle (he thought he'd been offered, then they had to undo-that).

OU gave him an attractive alternative.

This one isnt a major loss talent-wise -- but it's a "recruiting loss" none-the less, no doubt.​

 

[BUCKYLE]

I would call them Michigan State, but let's face it...lately, they're not on that level.

 

[Beaver]

Here's the Question - Not Capitalizing

Again ... let me preface this conversation by saying that as is this class is very good... maybe not as elite as it could have been ... but very strong....

my question

How did the coaching staff fail to capitalize on an 11-2 season and Sugar Bowl win? Since the season started we have gotten only 3 commits (2 of which aren't highly ranked) ... and we actually lost 2 commits.... so a net of only one commit during a time when Michigan showed it was back ...

How did we fail to capitalize here? Not enough effort recruiting during the season or establishing new contacts?

A month ago we were all complaining that we would fill up too fast.... now we wont even fill up at all and may come 2 or 3 shorts ..

what happened?​

they are very picky, as I've been saying for months and months now ... simple as that

it wasn't lack-of-effort ... it's pickiness, pickitude​

Yeah, that's it.
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[jlb1705]

Okay. Now I'm [censored]ed. I'm not sure anyone can claim to be surprised when Reeves picked OSU or Kozan went elsewhere, but Sam Grant?!? A generic 3* from Cleveland who has a teammate committed to us? Who visited us twice? When we have like 2 scholarship tight ends currently attending UM? How. Does. This. Happen.

OOH! OOH! I KNOW THIS ONE!

 

[NFBuck]

-- Glenville DL Willie Henry (6-2+/280+). We see this one panning out, simple as that. And ... we've always hoped there'd be another DT in this class - U-M is severely short of those.

I like how he adds the "+" to his height/weight to make the guy they're likely to get look bigger.

*However, I for one will not say, "these kids aren't that good, no big loss" because (i) U-M wanted them badly, and (ii) it's not true anyway.

...

another RIP (Grant's tomb) -- (And - Back to the Future)

Sam Grant RIP

In the end, the offer-thing in the spring was too big a hurdle (he thought he'd been offered, then they had to undo-that).

OU gave him an attractive alternative.

This one isnt a major loss talent-wise -- but it's a "recruiting loss" none-the less, no doubt.​

Ah, beav...you're nothing if not a predictable douchebag.

Originally Posted by Beaver

they are very picky, as I've been saying for months and months now ... simple as that

it wasn't lack-of-effort ... it's pickiness, pickitude​

"Pickitude"? You are a tumbling, tumbling, dickweed.
​

 

[Romanowski]

I would call them Michigan State, but let's face it...lately, they're not on that level.

State University at Ann Arbor?

They are a public institution after all...

 

[MONTbigBuck]

State University at Ann Arbor?

They are a public institution after all...

I was thinking Ann Arbor State. as well. Beat that aas.

 

[Coqui]

I would call them Michigan State, but let's face it...lately, they're not on that level.

We could just start calling them MAC losers since they couldn't beat Toledo.

or

FCS Fodder in honor of Appalachian State (since they keep bringing up beating Florida that same year)

 

[buxfan4life]

We could just keep calling them losers.

FIFY

Fuck Michigan

 

[Dryden]

they are very picky, as I've been saying for months and months now ... simple as that

it wasn't lack-of-effort ... it's pickiness, pickitude

That's right.

When you walk into the living room of a kid that has watched you go 26-24 with three different head coaches over the four years since he started playing high school ball, and he's realized that he may have won the genetic lottery and can go anywhere in the country for a free college degree and a shot at NFL glory, you can afford to be picky.


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPxPSzz0LBY"]Brady Hoke: Philosopher King - YouTube[/ame]

 

[colobuck79]

I was thinking Ann Arbor State. as well. Beat that aas.

 

[BuckBackHome]

I was thinking Ann Arbor State. as well. Beat that aas.

I prefer Ann Arbor Community College.

 

[BUCKYLE]

I prefer Ann Arbor Community College.

The Harvard Refrigerator Repair School of the West!