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ORD_Buckeye;1896448; said:
I love that quote. Also, Woody Paige once said of Steve Atwater: "This kid doesn't know the meaning of the word 'fear'. Unfortunately, there are lots of other words that he doen't know the meaning of."
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Bucklion;1896447; said:
Right. Because the difference in a #7 and #6 draft pick have nothing to do with team needs, athletic ability, or interview by the team drafting. Especially on D. I mean, we all know Lawrence Taylor was a gentleman and a scholar, so of course the NFL would be concerned with how they do on a fucking test.
Just like the 40, the bench press, and all that other shit...the test is a tool. Probably a small piece of the overall pie that teams use to grade who they want. That's all I'm sayin. Maybe Patterson was contacted by the teams drafting third, fourth and fifth, all of them saying they want him.
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BUCKYLE;1896465; said:
And pretty much every team that is drafting high sucks, and has multiple needs. DL or OT? WR or CB? Of course it's just a piece of the puzzle, to go with those other things...but does a team take a OL who they trust to be able to handle blitz protection on the fly or a DB with a wonderlic of 3 who can't spell his own name, let alone understand the language of 3 deep coverages that the DC uses? The test isn't about being a gentleman or a scholar, it is about a) do you give a shit enough about the process to take it, and b) can you handle the rudimentary things that go with being a professional football player? Shitty teams change OCs and DCs all the time, and many of them have different terminology...do you want to invest 20 mil over 5-7 years on a guy I couldn't trust to be able to handle that? I sure as hell wouldn't, especially when I could take someone else just as athletic at another position of need.
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Bucklion;1896479; said:
If the test didn't matter at all, they wouldn't take it. I understand that. If it mattered as much as some here would like to believe, then Patrick fucking Patterson won't be a top ten pick. I guess we'll see
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southcampus
Go Bucks
I think the overall argument about the wonderlic's importance as it pertains to football is an entirely different discussion that I'm not the least bit interested in.
My opinion is this: If you took the time to go and take the test, you've already exterted more energy in arriving at the test location than it would take for you to answer some pretty simple questions. The only people who would think that the majority of these questions are mildly difficult or harder are complete dopes.
If you wanna say fuck you to the test, why do you take it? Is it required? I didn't think it was. Assuming it is, don't you think there is a reason it's required? These are pretty big investments and although Patrick Peterson or whomever is highly touted, they're hardly the end-all-be-all of (insert player position). And if you're a player, knowing that a potential employer is using this information to assess your worth still isn't enough to incentivize you to actually give a damn, than you're probably closer to a complete waste of life than an idiot. I don't think any of these players are the former, I think they are just dumb...really dumb.
My opinion is this: If you took the time to go and take the test, you've already exterted more energy in arriving at the test location than it would take for you to answer some pretty simple questions. The only people who would think that the majority of these questions are mildly difficult or harder are complete dopes.
If you wanna say fuck you to the test, why do you take it? Is it required? I didn't think it was. Assuming it is, don't you think there is a reason it's required? These are pretty big investments and although Patrick Peterson or whomever is highly touted, they're hardly the end-all-be-all of (insert player position). And if you're a player, knowing that a potential employer is using this information to assess your worth still isn't enough to incentivize you to actually give a damn, than you're probably closer to a complete waste of life than an idiot. I don't think any of these players are the former, I think they are just dumb...really dumb.
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Ted Ginn got drafted in the top ten, as have a number of other pretty good not great prospects at premium positions like WR, OT, CB (like troy williamson). This notion that getting selected there invalidates their argument is pretty humorous especially when you are also arguing draft position is a poor metric due to outside variables like team need.
Peterson is a great prospect but has serious concerns about his mental recognition and ability to diagnose and absorb quickly. The wonderlic confirmed that suspicion.
Just like the forty and shuttle, it doesn't make a draft pick happen but it can solidify one.
This is also a rare draft where virtually all of the top prospects have huge red flags, knees, character, iq, etc.,usually there are at least 4-5 pretty safe picks. This year the only safe one is Dareus, in a manner of speaking, perhaps followed by aj green and both were suspended this past fall.
Miller would be more of a 6-10 pick if not for these question marks ranked atop the premium positions:
Bowers, Newton, Fairley, Peterson, Gabbert, etc.
Also the notion that players blow off the test is a pretty problematic way to start a debate. Could someone do so? Sure, but most of them spend months preparing exhaustively for these tests, including physical ones, the wonderlic and interviews.
Peterson is a great prospect but has serious concerns about his mental recognition and ability to diagnose and absorb quickly. The wonderlic confirmed that suspicion.
Just like the forty and shuttle, it doesn't make a draft pick happen but it can solidify one.
This is also a rare draft where virtually all of the top prospects have huge red flags, knees, character, iq, etc.,usually there are at least 4-5 pretty safe picks. This year the only safe one is Dareus, in a manner of speaking, perhaps followed by aj green and both were suspended this past fall.
Miller would be more of a 6-10 pick if not for these question marks ranked atop the premium positions:
Bowers, Newton, Fairley, Peterson, Gabbert, etc.
Also the notion that players blow off the test is a pretty problematic way to start a debate. Could someone do so? Sure, but most of them spend months preparing exhaustively for these tests, including physical ones, the wonderlic and interviews.
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
Just my hunch, but I'm willing to bet that there is an inverse relationship between how well a player does on the wonderlic and the eventuality that he ends up in the headlines for rape, girlfriend beating, [censored]ing away all his contract money, running a dog fighting ring, hiring a hit on his baby mama, taking a jaccuzzi with a high school girl, bringing a gun to a knife fight or just plain getting his ass all shot up in the club.
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ORD_Buckeye;1896496; said:
So which of those would Dan Marino be most likely to succumb to?
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ORD_Buckeye
Wrong glass, Sir.
BUCKYLE;1896500; said:
Bad isotoner commercials.
What was his score?
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As an employer I would rather have a guy show me he's just dumb and not lazy. You can work around dumb. You can't afford to have lazy on the team.
Also, as an employer, the "fuck it" scenario automatically makes me ask the question; "what happens the next time rookie dumb fuck decides he doesn't like something and isn't going to do it?" like adhere to the player conduct rules? Or play zone when he prefers man to man? Or show up for "voluntary" team drills? etc etc etc
It's all a matter of degree but if you put up a large enough red flag they will pass on the talent. Probably more so today than ever before. If guys like Randy Moss and Warren Sapp can get dropped way down a draft (different issues but under the off field header) then anyone else can too.
Also, as an employer, the "fuck it" scenario automatically makes me ask the question; "what happens the next time rookie dumb fuck decides he doesn't like something and isn't going to do it?" like adhere to the player conduct rules? Or play zone when he prefers man to man? Or show up for "voluntary" team drills? etc etc etc
It's all a matter of degree but if you put up a large enough red flag they will pass on the talent. Probably more so today than ever before. If guys like Randy Moss and Warren Sapp can get dropped way down a draft (different issues but under the off field header) then anyone else can too.
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Jaxbuck;1896542; said:
I believe the exact opposite. You can motivate "lazy"...you can't fix "dumb". When you "work around dumb", you're usually removing things from his responsibility that he should be doing...it's time to hire someone else. When you have someone who simply lazy while otherwise fully qualified, you let him/her know that they need to step it up or start looking for other employment. Lazy people usually don't fuck shit up...dumb people do.
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MililaniBuckeye;1896563; said:
So you are saying you wouldn't hire Kyle either?
Sorry dude, it was just too easy.
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