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2011 tOSU Football Discussion

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To me August 12 is the key to making season predictions. Just how hard the program gets slammed, if JT is allowed to continue coaching, if 2010 stands or is voided and how the Bucks react to it all.

It certainly looks like the talent is there, but the intangibles - the unknowables at this time-- seem to be the bigger issue.
 
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cincibuck;1923828; said:
It certainly looks like the talent is there, but the intangibles - the unknowables at this time-- seem to be the bigger issue.
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The intangibles are obviously a bigger deal right now for the average Buckeye fan, but I doubt it has much of an impact on the players.

The best case scenario would be using the turmoil as a rallying cry and motivation, which I think is the likely attitude inside the WHAC this offseason.
 
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Buckeye86;1923831; said:
The intangibles are obviously a bigger deal right now for the average Buckeye fan, but I doubt it has much of an impact on the players.

The best case scenario would be using the turmoil as a rallying cry and motivation, which I think is the likely attitude inside the WHAC this offseason.
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I agree...but what happens if we lose a tough game early.....
 
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GeorgiaBuck2;1924203; said:
Undefeated season, calling it.
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I'm afraid of the possibility. It would be like those rare times when I hit my drive straight and put the ball on the green with a seven iron only to four putt.

My sense is that this team is going to be ruled "bowl ineligible" for the next couple of years.
 
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cincibuck;1924265; said:
I'm afraid of the possibility. It would be like those rare times when I hit my drive straight and put the ball on the green with a seven iron only to four putt.

My sense is that this team is going to be ruled "bowl ineligible" for the next couple of years.
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Unless they find more I doubt it. Unless we get slapped with an LOIC, bowl bans, lost schollys are unlikly IMO. Vacting last season though sounds like almost a lock....
 
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cincibuck;1924265; said:
I'm afraid of the possibility. It would be like those rare times when I hit my drive straight and put the ball on the green with a seven iron only to four putt.

My sense is that this team is going to be ruled "bowl ineligible" for the next couple of years.
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If this happens it most likely will be 12 and 13....they wont even rule untill dec or jan
 
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cincibuck;1924265; said:
My sense is that this team is going to be ruled "bowl ineligible" for the next couple of years.
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Not for what the Tat5 and Tressel did. I can see vacating the wins from the 2010 season in addition to the already-imposed suspensions. A bowl prohibition "doesn't fit the crime".
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1927414; said:
Not for what the Tat5 and Tressel did. I can see vacating the wins from the 2010 season in addition to the already-imposed suspensions. A bowl prohibition "doesn't fit the crime".
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The biggest thing I keep coming back to is that if OSU gets a USC style punishment, meaning a bowl ban, then what the hell is the point of self reporting to the NCAA?

USC stonewalled the NCAA for five years, dared them to find anything, opening insulted them, and hoped for the best. OSU has bent over backwards to cooperate.

If the punishment is exactly the same or similar in severity, the NCAA is basically encouraging stonewalling the hell out of them and hoping that they are too incompetent and stupid to find anything, which seems like a winning bet more often than not.
 
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Buckeye86;1927423; said:
The biggest thing I keep coming back to is that if OSU gets a USC style punishment, meaning a bowl ban, then what the hell is the point of self reporting to the NCAA?
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I dunno...because as the inadvertent and non-related e-mail search found it, it was known to tOSU brass - so that not reporting would have meant an auto LOIC violation and a possible death penalty...

Granted, they would not really DP a program like yours.....but they would cut so many scholarships - and ban you from TV appearances and bowl games for so damn long - that it would be difficult to get anyone but a die-hard, life-long buckeye fan to sign a LOI with you. As it stands, at worst you lose a coach due to a show cause for a year and vacate some 2010 games.* Self reporting is your biggest mitigation factor.

Not reporting once discovered is only a good deal if you can absolutely guarantee that the bad stuff will never, ever be revealed or reported - and that every tOSU employee who knows of the problem will never, ever, get in spats with supervisors, or be fired and have a grudge/score to settle.

I really see lots of good reasons to self report, even removing the moral and ethical component. Kudos to tOSU for self reporting.

* pure opinion and guess of worst case scenario sanctions, neither hoped for or from special knowledge. Could be worse or could adopt the proposed self-imposed penalties. But the fact you took the ethical high road HAS to be a mitigating factor or the system is completely broken.
 
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Yeah....well....we got that vacated, so all is good. Right? right?
 
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