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Jaxbuck;1789762; said:
He has done all right at Stanford. He took over a shit hole and has recruited well despite not being at a top school. He also seems like the kind of guy that doesn't need all 5-4 star guys. I just don't think Michigan can recruit with the big guys any more. Maybe Rich has me down, but Michigan needs a coach than can coach up the 3 star and under the radar guys. I think Harbaugh can do that. Stanford is a physical team that runs a pro style offense that I love. The defense isn't great against top teams, but against lesser/even teams they do well. He has beat USC 3 out of 4 times now. I also love that.
I would be happy to get somebody that can win/compete with rivals, compete for big ten championships. Look, winning a national championship is fucking hard. Even you as a buckeye fan would probably agree with me with that statement. Michigan fans thinking national championship just need to calm down. Get back to winning and beating/upsetting rivals, get back to 9-10 win seasons, then big ten championships, then national championships. Even competing for one every 4-5 years is fine. Just need to get back to baby steps.
Just for the love a god, get somebody in here that can coach some defense. A coach that hasn't had 20+ transfers helps to.
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zwem;1789775; said:
So you want a coach who can get the program back to where the guy RR replaced had it?
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Jaxbuck;1789790; said:
Yes, almost. Here is the thing though........Michigan didn't need an overhaul. They just needed something fresh. Not a change in philosophy. All that was missing was losing a game that Michigan shouldn't have and losing a few close ones to OSU. Most of those games Michigan went wire to wire with OSU. Michigan could have won in 2002,2005,2006, (2004 was all buckeyes). If Michigan got a few lucky breaks, Michigan could have won. Not taking anything away from the buckeyes because they deserved all those wins. However, a play or two, a key stop, or being aggressive and Michigan could have won. OSU and Michigan isn't close now. Michigan is losing to little brother. Michigan isn't playing in new year day bowl games.
Michigan still needed a change because of Oregon, App State, etc. They just didn't need to panic and make a radical change.
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"Gosh...heh...um, well...so...heh, heh...um...golly...well, um...you know, we...um...gosh...um...well, see...heh...is this thing on?"
BTW, another first/worst since the 60's for our boy...largest margin of defeat to msu since '67...I didn't think there were any left after the first two years.
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NFBuck;1789891; said:
"Gosh...heh...um, well...so...heh, heh...um...golly...well, um...you know, we...um...gosh...um...well, see...heh...is this thing on?"
BTW, another first/worst since the 60's for our boy...largest margin of defeat to msu since '67...I didn't think there were any left after the first two years.
I don't know whether to yell, surprise, surprise, surprise...
or SHAZAM!
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ATTN Michigan: Don't listen to this man. Les Miles might be available. You can always hire Bill Stewart........that WVU pipeline never runs dry. Maybe the defensive coordinator from a place like Texas Tech or Oregon?
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Steve19;1789911; said:I don't know whether to yell, surprise, surprise, surprise...
or SHAZAM!
Are you trying to say RR is a good singer?
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There's one fact that tells the tale IMO , out of the 9 coaches on staff, 6 are devoted to the offense (Dews, McGee, Frey, Jackson, Smith, RR) while only 4 are devoted to the defense (GRob, Gipson, Tall, Braithwaite). 6+4 =9?
To me is seems like RR wants a good defense but doesn't want to have to personally think about it. He's not the only coach that takes that approach, Saban is the same way about his offense (he routinly leaves the sideline during offensive drives and talks to the defense), Bryan Kelly is the same way about his defense, Urban Meyer is the same way. That approach work provided you hire a good coordinator that you trust. The issue is that RR is half in and half out when it comes to the defense. He doesn't want to be directly involved in the day to day aspects of the defense but at the same time he won't hand over autonomus control of the defense to his coordinator. RR seems especially more meattling (meattling?) when things do go well. Shafer had control until the defense went into the tank late, then the gripping (gripping?) of Gipson and the other "RR guys" had us making defensive changes. We brought in GRob will the idea of giving him autonomus control but after having an even worse defense we made changes this off season. GRob hasn't been given autonomus control, he can't hire and fire at will, he can't run whatever he wants.
RR is faced with a choice, either completely leave the defense alone or fully involve himself on both
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That guy on the Scout board said it right, RR would be a great OC because that is all he cares about. Apparently, he doesn't think D needs to be played in college football. As a HC, he should realize that, for his style of play, he needs a strong DC who he can hand the reigns to on that side of the ball and keep his fucking nose out of it.
I was baffeled when he hired Robinson, whose schemes were more traditional in a 4-3 type of D, and then basically forced him to run this 3-3-give 'em a TD scheme. Also, it sounds like this Gibson guy (DB coach) is a liability, which is proven on the field with the awesomeness of suck that is going on in UM secondary. Is that guy related to RR in some way? I would think that if you are on the hot seat (which RR is, and has been since after 3-9) you would cut ties with ANYONE dragging you down.
I was baffeled when he hired Robinson, whose schemes were more traditional in a 4-3 type of D, and then basically forced him to run this 3-3-give 'em a TD scheme. Also, it sounds like this Gibson guy (DB coach) is a liability, which is proven on the field with the awesomeness of suck that is going on in UM secondary. Is that guy related to RR in some way? I would think that if you are on the hot seat (which RR is, and has been since after 3-9) you would cut ties with ANYONE dragging you down.
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I think GERG ran a variation of the 3-3-5 at Texas, so he's familiar with it. As for the overall state of the defense, it comes down to talent...they don't have it and that falls on the man at the top. They've suffered a lot of attrition on the defensive side of the ball because of kids that couldn't qualify, yet gave them scholorships anyway (O LET DO IT). They can bitch about the state that Carr left the D in all they want, but dickrod has had 2+ classes to improve that and he has failed miserably. It isn't looking a lot better this year either. Some of it does come down to coaching/scheme because as EFWolverine pointed out, they are locked into a scheme that fails to properly utilize the strength of their D (the DL) and perfectly exposes the weaknesses, the LB and secondary. It is a failure of magnificent proportions all the way around.buxfan4life;1789949; said:
and here is a post that perfectly encapsulates the typical "all in" moronic fan that blindly follows dickrod...
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The post here is pretty good, but with a couple flaws:
1) Offensive minded head coaches typically don't spend time with the defense, rather they delegate it completely to someone else. Exhibit A? Steve Spurrier....who has always done this. When his team got blasted by Nebraska in the nat title game, he fired the D coordinator, and hired Bob Stoops and said "here it's yours...run it".
2) You can't complain about the scheme while acknowledging the personnel short comings...thats a contradiction. The scheme doesnt matter much, again...talent/experience issues.
1) DickRod doesn't give his defense coordinators the chance to run the defense. He undermined Schaefer in 2008 then ran him off and brought in a guy to run his kind of defense even though it was glaringly obvious they didn't have the personnel to execute it. Huge mistake that has been made obvious by the results on the field ever since.
2) You absolutely can complain about the scheme when lacking the talent because good coaches adapt their scheme to their personnel. They have not done this at all...with the offense in 2008 or the defense since late in '08.
It's no wonder there is such a schism in their fanbase...you have these idiots that have married themselves to rr and will defend him to the end even when he's not worth it and then you have the people who just want things fixed but have to stand by and watch the idiot at the top and his minions run their program into the ground. I don't know if I would be able to handle it myself.
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This is a pretty good synopsis close to what I see happening for UM the rest of the year:
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Last six games of the season...
IOWA - not as good as their pre-season ranking, but not terrible either. KILLED a decent Penn State team, 24-3 last week. Their defense is a he!! of a lot better than MSU's, so I'm guessing that our offense is going to struggle even more against them. Then, of course, our defense is going to give up at least 35 points (regardless of opponent). Shootout turns into blowout? I'm guessing we lose. 5-2.
@ PENN STATE - again, not as good as their pre-season ranking, but not terrible either. Bad loss against Illinois this week. Still though, their defense is probably a little bit better than MSU's, so, again, I'm guessing that our offense is going to struggle even more against them. Then, again, of course, our defense is going to give up at least 35 points (regardless of opponent). Shootout turns into blowout? I'm guessing we lose. 5-3.
ILLINOIS - had a great win against penn state this week, and didn't lose to ohio state as bad as indiana did (or as bad as we're going to). it's clear in this game that, again, of course, our defense is going to give up at least 25 points (regardless of opponent). but, i don't think that their defense is all that good, so...shootout does not turn into blowout. I'm guessing that we win, but it'll be close. 6-3 (Motor City Bowl here we come!).
@ PURDUE - lost to notre dame, so, that's a good sign I guess. again, our d is going to give up at least 35 points. but their defense isn't all that good...so...shootout does not turn into blowout. i'm guessing that we win, but again, it'll be close. 7-3.
WISCONSIN - They're going to kill us. 7-4.
@ OHIO STATE - They're going to shoot holes in our corpse. 7-5.
...conclusion: 7-5. that's my actual guess. it could be a little better (beat penn state?). or it could be a little worse (lose to illinois?). it's most likely going to be in between 6-6 or 8-4. and i think that's going to be enough for brandon to pull the trigger on harbaugh. i mean, isn't it sort of getting old!? last second wins against indiana!? not being sure if there's even a single team in the big10 that we can beat!? i feel like...idk...indiana. it's been three years now.
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buxfan4life;1789964; said:
Yeah, pretty much.
You never know for sure but right now it looks like they have @ PSU, Illinois and @ Purdue to find their one win to get to a Bowl.
6-7 wins tops and that's IF they rebound psychologically, Martins injury isn't serious and of course DR stays healthy. Any combination of those things and the win total stays at 5 (and sadly, I think we lose our boy).
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