2010 tOSU Offense Discussion

[Meyer]

I wasn't gonna go there because it sounds like whining but your comments leave me no choice but to stoop to your level.


1) Alabama didn't lose their best offensive weapon in the 2nd half.

The weird thing is that Arkansas did. They lost Childs I'm pretty sure....

 

[BuckNut65]

I think the SEC is way over-rated this year, however I can't say that the Big 10 or PAC-10 are any better based on what I have seen from our other "elite" teams like Iowa and Wisconsin.

Being objective and not trying to compare wins, Alabama is the real deal. They can play the D necessary to beat teams like Oregon/Boise and have the balanced offense and good coaching to take them to the NC game. Would love to see us play them at the end...it would be a great game.

 

[lvbuckeye]

half the problem is running back 1A lacks vision and cuts, and running back 1B lacks breakaway speed. the running lanes were there for the most part. Saine simply isn't a zone blocking runner. and zone blocking is what you do to counter a D-line that is slanting. Boom did a decent job in the second half, but he'll never be a home run threat.

 

[Meyer]

Hall is the complete back in the stable and maybe Berry but I haven't seen enough of him yet...

Herron deserves the most carries right now, but Hall needs some playing time in my opinion.

Tressel loves Hall, he says it every week.

 

[k2onprimetime]

half the problem is running back 1A lacks vision and cuts, and running back 1B lacks breakaway speed. the running lanes were there for the most part. Saine simply isn't a zone blocking runner. and zone blocking is what you do to counter a D-line that is slanting. Boom did a decent job in the second half, but he'll never be a home run threat.

Agreed, thats why we need to see my dude Jaamal Berry. We gotta play the best running back, whoever it may be, Berry, Hyde, Hall or Herron, to be a contender this year. Do you think Nick Satan would keep a RB on the field that everyone knows isint as good as the other guy, just because he's a senior? I love Tressel but i just wish he wasint so loyal sometimes.

 

[MightbeaBuck]

Eventually, JT needs to figure out that to be truly elite you have to beat elite teams that also want to win.

Are you talking about the 2006 season? tOSU played the second ranked team in the country three different times. tOSU BEAT the second ranked team in the country twice that year. Beat them soundly the first time. tOSU beat them the second time by scoring 42 points on a team that only allowed 12 points per game until that point. The third time they played, tOSU lost to them because the fastest buckeye on the team, a star on offense and THE star player on special teams was injured on the first play of the game.

You gotta figure, if you play the second best team several times, no matter how good you are, you're going to lose some time.

Or are you talking about the 2002 season? Are you saying that Miami didn't WANT to win the 2002 championship?

Are any of these the "truly" elites of which you speak?

 

[DaveyBoy]

Are you talking about the 2006 season? tOSU played the second ranked team in the country three different times. tOSU BEAT the second ranked team in the country twice that year. Beat them soundly the first time. tOSU beat them the second time by scoring 42 points on a team that only allowed 12 points per game until that point. The third time they played, tOSU lost to them because the fastest buckeye on the team, a star on offense and THE star player on special teams was injured on the first play of the game.

You gotta figure, if you play the second best team several times, no matter how good you are, you're going to lose some time.

Or are you talking about the 2002 season? Are you saying that Miami didn't WANT to win the 2002 championship? This team, this program, college football has changed a lot since 2002. The 2006 Bowl Season, for instance, changed much of the nation's impression of Ohio STate and the BigTen......we're still suffering from that (fair or unfair, it's true)

Are any of these the "truly" elites of which you speak?

1. Texas 2006 was not an elite team....not close. They were living off their NC the year before....they lost some of their best players.

2. Michigan 2006 was elite....great victory. But remember, the BigTen was horrible that year and Michigan was destroyed in the Rose Bowl.

3. UF....well, we know what happened there

Our biggest victories, although great, turned out to be over teams that weren't elite by the time everything was sorted out. The BigTen still hasn't recovered from that bowl season fiasco.


This 2010 team looks to have a better offense than 2002 and a better defense than 2006. I hope the combination makes us national champions.

Let's assume that the Illinois game was an aberration and that Tressel plans on running up a lot of points every week......then fine. But I've seen too much of JT running up to 24 points and then coasting the rest of the game on offense to feel comfortable.


Coach Tressel's success in the BigTen can't be questioned. He dominates it. But his recent success in the National Title picture can be questioned somewhat. He has this program on the verge of near domination of not only the BigTen but CFB. How to get to that next level of truly rareness is my concern.

 

[Saw31]

1. Texas 2006 was not an elite team....not close. They were living off their NC the year before....they lost some of their best players.

2. Michigan 2006 was elite....great victory. But remember, the BigTen was horrible that year and Michigan was destroyed in the Rose Bowl.

3. UF....well, we know what happened there

Our biggest victories, although great, turned out to be over teams that weren't elite by the time everything was sorted out. The BigTen still hasn't recovered from that bowl season fiasco.


This 2010 team looks to have a better offense than 2002 and a better defense than 2006. I hope the combination makes us national champions.

Let's assume that the Illinois game was an aberration and that Tressel plans on running up a lot of points every week......then fine. But I've seen too much of JT running up to 24 points and then coasting the rest of the game on offense to feel comfortable.


Coach Tressel's success in the BigTen can't be questioned. He dominates it. But his recent success in the National Title picture can be questioned somewhat. He has this program on the verge of near domination of not only the BigTen but CFB. How to get to that next level of truly rareness is my concern.

What are you expecting here? Do you think we're going to win the NC every year? Let's look at the last 10 years and see who's really elite...

2000- Oklahoma
2001- Miami
2002- Ohio State
2003- LSU/USC
2004- [strike]USC[/strike]
2005- Texas
2006- Florida
2007- LSU
2008- Florida
2009- Alabama
2010- ?????

Several teams have won multiple championships there, but which one of those teams have been in the hunt every single year in that stretch?

Oklahoma? 2005 8-4, 2009 8-5. No...
Miami? 2006 7-6, 2007 5-7, 2008 7-6. No...
Ohio State? 2004 8-4 No...
LSU? 2000 8-4, 2002 8-5, 2008 8-5. No...
USC? Cheaters. Doesn't count anyway.
Texas? 2000 9-3. No..But closer than anyone else.
Florida? 2002 8-5, 2003 8-5, 2004 7-5. No...
Alabama? 2000 3-8, 2001 7-5, 2003 4-9, 2004 6-6, 2005 cheaters. No...

None of those winners have been in the hunt every single year in the last decade. So who is "elite" and has consistently competed for National Championships? Looks like we're pretty fucking elite if you ask me. One year in ten, where we weren't in a position for at least an outside shot at getting to the title game if things had fallen our way (see 2007 where we backed into the title game). Texas looks pretty fucking elite. We beat them down at their place and lost to them twice in games where last minute/second touchdowns cost us the game. Could have, and probably should have won both those games.

This idea that Tressel is somehow costing us chances to win NC's is ridiculous. All you can do is put yourself in position for the opportunity to play in the game. Say, top 5 or so in the polls come November. And from looking at the above, The Ohio State University and Texas have been the most consistent in doing that. WE are already at that "next level of truly rareness", as you put it. If you want more than that, your dreaming...Buy a video game and win it every year...

 

[RugbyBuck]

My point was that Alabama fcuked around and was very close to losing to Arkansas late in the game. We shut our game down in the third despite (or maybe because of) Pryor's injury and were never in danger of losing. Alabama got hype for a heroic comeback on the road and we got panned as lacking offensively against Illinois.

 

[MightbeaBuck]

But his recent success in the National Title picture can be questioned somewhat.

By who? Mark Mays? Certainly nobody with any common sense would question his success. He has been in the National Title Hunt (a team with 2 or less loses per year) more often than anybody after his first year.

He has this program on the verge of near domination of not only the BigTen but CFB. How to get to that next level of truly rareness is my concern.

What level is there above this? Since Tressel came here: How could we do much better? By being in the hunt EVERY year (except one)? We already do that. Playing in the National Championship Game every two or three years? We already do that. Having the most players drafted into the NFL? Other than U$C, we already do that.

Or would you have us play at the level of Florida? They were awesome with Tebow at the helm, not so much now. We are awesome with a journeyman quarterback calling the shots (Krenzel). Alabama gave up more yards and more points to Penn St, an upper middle B10 team, than they did to "Elite" Florida.

And no matter much you want to downplay it, Ohio State played the second ranked team three times in 2006. Poo poo the Buckeyes if that's what makes you happy. Or better yet, ignore them if it doesn't.

 

[cincibuck]

What are you expecting here? Do you think we're going to win the NC every year? Let's look at the last 10 years and see who's really elite...

2000- Oklahoma
2001- Miami
2002- Ohio State
2003- LSU/USC
2004- [strike]USC[/strike]
2005- Texas
2006- Florida
2007- LSU
2008- Florida
2009- Alabama
2010- ?????

Several teams have won multiple championships there, but which one of those teams have been in the hunt every single year in that stretch?

Oklahoma? 2005 8-4, 2009 8-5. No...
Miami? 2006 7-6, 2007 5-7, 2008 7-6. No...
Ohio State? 2004 8-4 No...
LSU? 2000 8-4, 2002 8-5, 2008 8-5. No...
USC? Cheaters. Doesn't count anyway.
Texas? 2000 9-3. No..But closer than anyone else.
Florida? 2002 8-5, 2003 8-5, 2004 7-5. No...
Alabama? 2000 3-8, 2001 7-5, 2003 4-9, 2004 6-6, 2005 cheaters. No...

None of those winners have been in the hunt every single year in the last decade. So who is "elite" and has consistently competed for National Championships? Looks like we're pretty fucking elite if you ask me. One year in ten, where we weren't in a position for at least an outside shot at getting to the title game if things had fallen our way (see 2007 where we backed into the title game). Texas looks pretty fucking elite. We beat them down at their place and lost to them twice in games where last minute/second touchdowns cost us the game. Could have, and probably should have won both those games.

This idea that Tressel is somehow costing us chances to win NC's is ridiculous. All you can do is put yourself in position for the opportunity to play in the game. Say, top 5 or so in the polls come November. And from looking at the above, The Ohio State University and Texas have been the most consistent in doing that. WE are already at that "next level of truly rareness", as you put it. If you want more than that, your dreaming...Buy a video game and win it every year...

There you go again, using logic and shit...

 

[Onebuckfan]

tOSU under JT is a successful program..NC are only the cherry on top...I can't believe the angst over having ONE Nc since 2000. I would be happy to be one of the 10 richest people in the USA ..I would not be upset that Buffet and Jobs are ahead of me...JT beats scUM wins Big 10 Champs..I'm satisfied..remmember 1984-2000 ...

 

[Taosman]

I'm just confounded by our inability to run the ball better. We got it done late against Illinois so maybe there is hope for these guys, yet. And they did get it done last year so there is a precedent for success. Perhaps we've been over sold on the idea that this is/will be a great offensive line and TP covers a lot of ineptitude?

 

[cbrian815]

I thought we actually looked better running the ball out of the single back with Hyde and Berry. I know it was a little later in the game but we seem to run the ball 80% of the time if we are lined up in the I formation. I think we should be doing a little more play action out of the I and let TP pick them apart, which we did more against IU.

Still thought we were much better running Hyde and Berry out of the single back stuff. I like that JT is giving Wisky something different and that TP delivered standing in the pocket, all be it a very poor IU defense. Go Bucks

 

[OhioState001]

I have no idea why Jaamal Berry is not playing more he is the most explosive player on the team, he must have fumbilitis or something