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buckeye78
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Rookie;1790096; said:
I also remember thinking to myself yesterday, holy cow he's got all day back there. A lot. All three sacks were coverage sacks (pretty sure anyway), and if Pryor is his normal self, those are probably 15 yard pickups.
Pass Protection this year--A
Run Blocking--???
It would be one thing if the skill set of our O Line was better suited to pass protection. Is it just that they've concentrated so much on pass protection that they are losing the run blocking? As in, losing it for not using it? Hard to say.
With a fully mobile Pryor, (and not 20mph winds) this offense looks unstoppable.
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cbrian815
Heisman
Kudos to JT and staff for getting Saine involved in the passing game more and using his best asset speed and great hands.
Part of the running game problems seems to be that teams are really playing us to run and most of the time know we are going to run out of certain formations. When there is one more guy in there then we can block then we are getting blown up by the extra tackler. I hope to see more single back formations with delayed and misdirection running plays. Berry and Hall are built for that style of running. Hyde and Boom can run that style also. One thing we havent done well this year is run out of the I formation which was our bread and butter late last year. Teams are playing us to run almost everytime out of the I formation and the extra guys are filling the holes....and leaving us lucky to gain a yard or two.
Our true test is next week on the road in a hostile environment. I would love to see the number 1 team in the nation roll the Badgers and BB, he is so frustrated with not beating JT....and its in his head. Go Bucks
Part of the running game problems seems to be that teams are really playing us to run and most of the time know we are going to run out of certain formations. When there is one more guy in there then we can block then we are getting blown up by the extra tackler. I hope to see more single back formations with delayed and misdirection running plays. Berry and Hall are built for that style of running. Hyde and Boom can run that style also. One thing we havent done well this year is run out of the I formation which was our bread and butter late last year. Teams are playing us to run almost everytime out of the I formation and the extra guys are filling the holes....and leaving us lucky to gain a yard or two.
Our true test is next week on the road in a hostile environment. I would love to see the number 1 team in the nation roll the Badgers and BB, he is so frustrated with not beating JT....and its in his head. Go Bucks
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IU was in 5-3 and 5-4 sets much of the game, despite the fact that the Bucks were throwing 75% of the time and IU has one of the worst pass defenses in the country. The "book" on Ohio State is still "stop the run, make TP beat you with the pass". That book needs to be re-written, but if opposing DC's want to be stubborn, then I certainly won't argue with them. :)cbrian815;1790189; said:
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bukIpower
Head Coach
IMO, that's still the way to beat us but I think it's more than just teams playing the run. I think the playcalling is becoming too predictable when we are going to run. Right now TP is a new toy to them (Bollman/Tress) and they are getting a little pass happy.
For example if OSU throws an imcomplete on 1st down and it becomes 2nd and 10 I find that we run the ball almost always in that situation.
When we do run the ball IMO we don't do it enough out of passing formations as well. Too much ACE formation or straight I when we do run as well. I think the running game could be a lot better also if we called the right formations and the right type of runs as well (not to mention personnel). If we were able tor un the ball last year with Boom/Saine with the same Oline then there's no reason why we can't line up and do it this year too.
I think more sweeps, tosses, zone reads, and options would all be a nice addition to our straight I counter runs.
For example if OSU throws an imcomplete on 1st down and it becomes 2nd and 10 I find that we run the ball almost always in that situation.
When we do run the ball IMO we don't do it enough out of passing formations as well. Too much ACE formation or straight I when we do run as well. I think the running game could be a lot better also if we called the right formations and the right type of runs as well (not to mention personnel). If we were able tor un the ball last year with Boom/Saine with the same Oline then there's no reason why we can't line up and do it this year too.
I think more sweeps, tosses, zone reads, and options would all be a nice addition to our straight I counter runs.
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Buckeye doc
Hall of Fame
LordJeffBuck;1790192; said:
We actually were perfectly balanced for the game 32 pass plays and 32 runs. However, TP made 30 of those passes
. So I guess with TP in we are passing more than running.
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
I have heard the play book is large so I wonder how much is being held back by Tress? I'd like to think he's just sandbagging with the run game but there is plenty that suggests he isn't. We ran when we had to against Illinois so evidence would seem to suggest we are capable.
Perhaps it's just as LJB says that teams are going by the "book" on us and feel that's their best chance to beat us?
Perhaps it's just as LJB says that teams are going by the "book" on us and feel that's their best chance to beat us?
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BuckTwenty
Parties with Pete Johnson's Beard
This year Tressel has changed his philosophy as to how he wants us to look on offense. There were some articles written about it earlier in the year, but he wants his guys on offense to be able to run just about everything and execute it well -- spreading it out wide, packing it in and running, I-formation, the pistol, wildcat formation, throwing to the TE, the option, "Tresselball"... everything. Then, gameplanning with the weaknesses of the opposing D in mind.Taosman;1790243; said:
That seems to be the new "book" on this year's offense.
Against Illinois, it's pound the football, manage the clock, and keep their offense off the field. Against Indiana, it's an aerial attack with Pryor staying in the pocket and making their DBs have to try to stop us. If you want to know what OSU is going to run against your D, start boning up on the stuff that your defense is bad at.
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
BuckTwenty;1790289; said:
I think that's dead on. The game planning has been great this year. Teams have to scout and prepare for multiple attacks and we have the ability (mostly, but not solely, because of TP) to attack their weaknesses. I think there is a running game in there.
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mross34
Rock, Flag, and Eagle
http://www.alongtheolentangy.com/20...ana-offensive-review-and-half-season-analysis
This is a really comprehensive, insightful breakdown of the offense for the first half of the season. After reading this, I no longer have concerns about the running game. Teams seem to be daring us to beat them with the pass, and so far we've had no trouble doing so.
This is a really comprehensive, insightful breakdown of the offense for the first half of the season. After reading this, I no longer have concerns about the running game. Teams seem to be daring us to beat them with the pass, and so far we've had no trouble doing so.
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BuckTwenty;1790289; said:
Tressel called more passes than runs in the first half of the Illinois game. He was still throwing with the #2 QB half way into the 3rd period until he got burned by a bad INT.
Unless having the QB get sacked to end 2 first half drives on called pass plays is the new way to pound the football and keep their offense off the field I'd say the Illinois game was more a case of a bad day than by design.
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UpNorthBuckeye
Hall of Fame
bukIpower;1790219; said:
agreed. It's not so much that we're running, it's that even though the field is 150 feet wide, we're going to run 12 feet on either side of Brewster.
There's not a lot of fear that we will run wide.
I recall Sanzenbacher getting the end around run once, and it went for nine yards.
This is all just my humble opinion as an observer of the game.
Overall, this has been the year of Surprising Game Plans, especially in our fourteen home games this year.... the challenge tomorrow night is to call the same kind of game that beat Indiana, and Miami, and marshall.
Let's hope the Illinois game looked dreary because JT would not show anything more than what was necessary.
OSU 30, Wisky 19.
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Taosman
Your Cousin In New Mexxico
Chuck and duck offense for Wiscy? Let's see. Wiscy backs their CBs ten yards off so the quick out should be there all day. They will cheat to Posey so Sanz and the other WR could have some plays.
And depending on how close to the LOS their safetys play, TP could have room for short, first down making runs.
What role will Stoney play in this scheme? Attack the safetys playing run close to the LOS?
How about some run plays to the edge? Or a misdirection play or two. CBs will be ten yards away and not a factor.
OSU 23 Bucky 19 Lots of field goals.
Do we finally get a kick return for a TD?
And depending on how close to the LOS their safetys play, TP could have room for short, first down making runs.
What role will Stoney play in this scheme? Attack the safetys playing run close to the LOS?
How about some run plays to the edge? Or a misdirection play or two. CBs will be ten yards away and not a factor.
OSU 23 Bucky 19 Lots of field goals.
Do we finally get a kick return for a TD?
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