2010 SEC and Big Ten OOC football schedules

[cjmik_75]

End of year, pre-season, or when they played?

When they played...

'92 OSU #21 vs Syracuse #8
'96 OSU #4 vs Notre Dame #5
'98 OSU #1 vs West Virginia #11
'06 OSU #1 vs Texas #2

I'll get back to you on how both finished the year.

'94 OSU #18 vs Washington #25
'99 OSU #9 vs Miami Fl. #12
'01 OSU #21 vs UCLA #12
'08 OSU #8? vs USC #3?

The original point was that the 17 times in 20 seasons OSU was on the road playing OOC opponents. Looking closer, 8 of those matchup were vs ranked opponents. Since most OOC regular season games are played early in the year rankings are suspect.

Which brings up another argument that I've seen here on BP about Big 12 teams playing cupcake OOC to start the year and hence moving up the ranks, when getting to conference play the losses don't appear as detrimental when it's to a highly ranked conference foe.

The same could be said for any conference, really. But when your on the road playing OOC opponents ranked or not those are usually solid wins. It just doesn't happen enough with UF Ala LSU. But I really see GuB's point, the years that OSU doesn't play those road OOC games it makes easier to get to the BCSNCG which is the goal (along with winning the damn thing).

I'd love to see an early regular season matchup of Ala vs PSU like this coming season more often...if the rest of the big dogs would get off the porch like Tenn. has and Ala. appears to be...

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Cinci - It was Corby Jones, Mizzu QB and Amos Zereoue, WVU RB

 

[BB73]

Wonderin' - what was the ranking of the teams you lost to versus the teams you beat?

For the last 20 years, using the AP poll at the time of the games.

OOC Road Wins
09-15-90 at BC (tOSU #17, BC NR)
09-19-92 at Syracuse (tOSU #21, Syr #8)
09-18-93 at Pitt (tOSU @11, Pitt NR)
08-29-94 at Fresno St (in Anaheim, tOSU #20, Fresno St NR)
09-23-95 at Pitt (tOSU #8, Pitt NR)
09-28-96 at NoD (tOSU #4, NoD #5)
09-05-98 at West Va (tOSU #1, WVU #11)
09-09-00 at Ariz (tOSU #18, Ariz NR)
09-21-02 at Cincy (tOSU #6, Cincy NR)
09-18-04 at NC St (tOSU #9, NC St NR)
09-09-06 at Texas (tOSU #1, Texas #2)
09-15-07 at Washington (tOSU #10, Wash NR)

OOC Road Losses
09-10-94 at Washington (tOSU #18, Wash #25)
09-22-01 at UCLA (tOSU #21, UCLA #14)
09-13-08 at Southern Cal (tOSU #5, USC #1)

OOC Neutral Regular Season Wins
08-27-95 Bost Coll (in NJ, tOSU #12, BC #22)
09-19-09 Toledo (in Cleveland, tOSU #11, Toledo NR)

OOC Neutral Regular Season Loss
08-29-99 Miami (in NJ, tOSU #9, Miami #12)

So 4-3 on the road against ranked teams, or 5-4 counting the neutral games in New Jersey. In all games where the OOC opponent was ranked, tOSU was also ranked.

Road: wins over #2, #5, #8, and #11; and losses to #1, #14, and #25 (all 3 on the West Coast)

Neutral: a win over #22, a loss to #12.

 

[Gatorubet]

For the last 20 years, using the AP poll at the time of the games.

OOC Road Wins
09-15-90 at BC (tOSU #17, BC NR)
09-19-92 at Syracuse (tOSU #21, Syr #8)
09-18-93 at Pitt (tOSU @11, Pitt NR)
08-29-94 at Fresno St (in Anaheim, tOSU #20, Fresno St NR)
09-23-95 at Pitt (tOSU #8, Pitt NR)
09-28-96 at NoD (tOSU #4, NoD #5)
09-05-98 at West Va (tOSU #1, WVU #11)
09-09-00 at Ariz (tPSU #18, Ariz NR)
09-21-02 at Cincy (tOSU #6. Cincy NR)
09-18-04 at NC St (tOSU #9. NC St NR)
09-09-06 at Texas (tOSU #1, Texas #2)
09-15-07 at Washington (tOSU #10, Wash NR)

While conceding the 06, and '96 were virtually pic 'ems, the fact remains that of 12 OOC road wins, all but one were over teams ranked lower than you. So perhaps it was not the geographical context that was the determinative factor, but the strength of your opponent that decided the contest.

Which is to say, playing a higher ranked team in the same geographical area may be more difficult than playing a lower ranked OOC team on the road. It is at least something to put into the mix whenever this argument is raised.

 

[BB73]

While conceding the 06, and '96 were virtually pic 'ems, the fact remains that of 12 OOC road wins, all but one were over teams ranked lower than you. So perhaps it was not the geographical context that was the determinative factor, but the strength of your opponent that decided the contest.

Which is to say, playing a higher ranked team in the same geographical area may be more difficult than playing a lower ranked OOC team on the road. It is at least something to put into the mix whenever this argument is raised.

Either what you said, or jet lag. Maybe us Northerners should complain about SEC teams not heading west very often, instead of not heading north.

Road: wins over #2, #5, #8, and #11; and losses to #1, #14, and #25 (all 3 on the West Coast)

Yeah, Nutria, I know LSU got a win in Seattle this past season; and Woof I know UGA won at ASU in '08 - I'm just kidding.

 

[Gatorubet]

Jeeze!!! They are playing music so loud outside my window right now in preparation for the Saints parade that I can't think. (Wait! Playing "Hold that Tiger" and hearing "LSU..." chants now ) The streets are about full, and as my office and parking lot are on the St. Charles parade route, if I don't get out now, I won't get out until about eight. So I am outta here. Tell Drew I like him just fine, but....

 

[cincibuck]

Cinci - It was Corby Jones, Mizzu QB and Amos Zereoue, WVU RB

Danke.

 

[cjmik_75]

While conceding the 06, and '96 were virtually pic 'ems, the fact remains that of 12 OOC road wins, all but one were over teams ranked lower than you. So perhaps it was not the geographical context that was the determinative factor, but the strength of your opponent that decided the contest.

Which is to say, playing a higher ranked team in the same geographical area may be more difficult than playing a lower ranked OOC team on the road. It is at least something to put into the mix whenever this argument is raised.

agreed.

But when you rarely ever leave that geographic location/state it's not as difficult as traveling across the country, even if the opponent is ranked #11-#25.

 

[Gatorubet]

Jeeze!!! They are playing music so loud outside my window right now in preparation for the Saints parade that I can't think. (Wait! Playing "Hold that Tiger" and hearing "LSU..." chants now ) The streets are about full, and as my office and parking lot are on the St. Charles parade route, if I don't get out now, I won't get out until about eight. So I am outta here. Tell Drew I like him just fine, but....

Sonofabitch!! Street already totally blocked, wall to wall people, reviewing stands all full, people lined two deep at the barricades, and everybody playing Mardi Gras music at "yes, this is harmonic distortion" level.

Oh well. Cocktail time. :cheers:

 

[Nutriaitch]

Going back twenty football seasons (1990)

Compared to a certain SEC school down in the Bayou that played only 9 OOC games in that same period finishing (3-6).

we were fucking terrible in the 90's!
we lost to shitty teams at home, so i'm not shocked our road record was crap.

p.s. by my own admission, it doesn't count, but you left our 3 games (all wins)@ tulane out of your stats. but if you can count almighty toledo, i'm gonna go ahead and claim tulane.


so in twenty years time, we've played a whopping 5 fewer ooc road games than osu.
and all of our losses came during the worst decade in the history of our program. under the only hc to NEVER have a winning season (Hallman), and the school reocrd holder for most consecutive losses (DiNardo)

 

[cjmik_75]

we were fucking terrible in the 90's!
we lost to shitty teams at home, so i'm not shocked our road record was crap.

p.s. by my own admission, it doesn't count, but you left our 3 games (all wins)@ tulane out of your stats. but if you can count almighty toledo, i'm gonna go ahead and claim tulane.


so in twenty years time, we've played a whopping 5 fewer ooc road games than osu.
and all of our losses came during the worst decade in the history of our program. under the only hc to NEVER have a winning season (Hallman), and the school reocrd holder for most consecutive losses (DiNardo)

OK you got me I wasn't going to include those because in an earlier post you said you wouldn't count those because LSU actually had Tulane out numbered and the superdome isn't LSU's home stadium, but...c'mon man.

LSU is 4-1 (2 vs ranked opponents 1-1) in there last five OOC road games so recent sucsess is duly noted.(OSU has gone 3-2 in their last five OOC road games) The real point is, again, these "marque" regular season matchups are definitely lacking. Aside from Texas A&M '91-'95 well...thats my point.

You spelling isn't that bad.

 

[Gatorubet]

Oh. Spelled like a coonass. I read that wrong. :p

 

[Gatorubet]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq6PrQ4ve7I"]YouTube - Raw footage Saints Homecoming Parade![/ame]

Edit: AWESOME night. I had only my sport coat, so I was cold as shit w/ 36 degree wind chill, but once I lost the feeling in my hands from holding my drink, it wasn't so bad. I'll try to load some of my poor res phone video tomorrow to show how it looked from my balcony near the old City Hall. The best part of the night was when a float full of the Big Uglies was stopped waiting for the parade to move. It was about 7:15-7:30, and the boys had not had dinner yet. So they are on the float, and they look over the crowd and about ten to fifteen people deep away they see a Mardi Gras snack wagon with shit like Polish Sausages, Funnel cakes, chicken on a stick, and generic carny food. The crowd is going crazy, bands are playing, and they are about 150 feet from the reviewing stand where the Mayor, the Governor, and both US Senators are positioned. So everyone is watching and screaming - and then - about five linemen jump off the float, and we all go "NO THEY DID-ENT..", and they start to push their way through the massive crowd in what is clearly a focused run at the roach coach for some food. Everyone is laughing their asses off, as they make their way through the huge crowd high fiving and slapping them on the back. The poor sum bitches at the window don't realize who is behind them until they turn around and see the linemen descending upon them.

They order what looks like about fifteen brats or sausages, and one of them tries to pay for the food - which the sellers won't take. They even throw an attempted tip back at them - which they miss, because by now the float is moving and they have to run to get back on, tossing the food up to their buddies as they try to get on before they hit the VIP stand. It was so freaking funny, I thought I'd pee myself. I love this city!

 

[Steve19]

Glad you had that opportunity to have fun in the Saints Superbowl parade. I'm going to get us back on topic.

End of year, pre-season, or when they played?

The fact is, Ohio State played ranked teams away from home in the OOC schedule--SEC teams avoid such challenges like the plague.

Your point about final rankings suggests that you may not be hearing what posters here, and fans outside the SEC everywhere, are saying. By playing no ranked opponents away from home and out of their region, SEC teams end up with a higher than deserved ranking. This is because they gain 0.5 - 1.0 wins on average every year by avoiding quality OOC games away from home (assuming about a 50% chance of winning away from home, which seems typical in these games).

I think I see where you may have been about to go with the final rankings argument, but that raises another point.

It's important to remember how the rankings process works. Voters look at the schedules of teams and use that in their initial rankings. Go back and look at sites where voters blog and read their comments, "Well, I don't think team A can get through away games against Y and Z without losing at least once, so I ranked them below B who has a much more favorable schedule for a run at the NC this year." So, avoiding ranked OOC foes away from home affects the initial rankings.

The initial rankings then affect the ongoing rankings, "I think that B is a better team than C, but you can't drop them when they just beat D by 9 points."

Also, teams that play Ohio State would end up ranked lower because they lost Ohio State. I think also that someone showed that teams that play Ohio State have a much greater chance of losing the game following the game against Ohio State, when compared to their record against other opponents. I suspect the same effect is observed for most other big name, typically ranked teams including Florida.

While conceding the 06, and '96 were virtually pic 'ems, the fact remains that of 12 OOC road wins, all but one were over teams ranked lower than you. So perhaps it was not the geographical context that was the determinative factor, but the strength of your opponent that decided the contest.

Which is to say, playing a higher ranked team in the same geographical area may be more difficult than playing a lower ranked OOC team on the road. It is at least something to put into the mix whenever this argument is raised.

Well, again, the issue is playing OOC games against ranked opponents away from home. If SEC teams don't play the games, then the point you make is moot.

No doubt ranking has an effect because it represents a judgment about the relative power of each team but these differences often were small in the case of that list of OSU games and neither team knew what their rankings might be when the games were scheduled.

What the teams did know is that they were taking a higher risk of losing by playing quality opponent away from home. Playing out of your region means that you have to play without the same support in the stands. You must deal with climate and time differences, even cultural differences across some regions in the US. These all have an effect on your performance.

So, the point is that the avoidance of home and home series against ranked OOC teams inflates the rankings of SEC teams. This unfair ranking increases their likelihood of playing in better bowl games, including the NC game. We'd like to see the SEC stop ducking the issue and come play football.

 

[cincibuck]

And now for something completely off the frickin' wall. Talk of New Orleans, Mardi Gras, Tulane and LSU, the term 'coonass' which I've heard from my ragin' cajun friend, Cal LaMantierre, (see:http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/professional-football/619002-day-street-who-dat-city.html) reminded me of one of my all time favorite reads, Confederacy of Dunces, by local Tulane grad student; John Kennedy Toole (rip).



Have youse guys, Gator and Nutri read it?