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Game Thread 2010 Rose Bowl: Ohio State 26 Oregon 17 (Final, 1/01/2010)

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OK, I think there is one 'X-Ray Randy' here and one potential 'EngineerHorn'

One deserves the aggressive defense being rained down...the other is just being lumped in there.

Let's get back to the game discussion...both teams are not the same teams that lost to Purdue or Boise. On a side note, USC is not the same team that won in Columbus.

Those arguments are worthless...what is working now?

What is Oregon's base defense? Give me personnel discussion instead of some broadstroke BS that denies all discussion.

This site is better than that mess and both sides are capable of that discussion.
 
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If defense wins championships, then Florida hanging 41 points on one of the better defenses we had this decade makes that addage null and void. I am inclined to believe that the better prepared team wins. I watched a few Oregon games this year. They have some very large problems on defense that Tressel will no doubt try to exploit. "Tresselball" will win this one... Bucks 27, Ducks 24.
 
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GODUCK..

Simple rule of thumb:
You cannot state that one team will beat the other without having watched both teams play.
You can't.

I will admit there are some exceptions. For example, without having watched, say, Middle Tennessee State this year, I will make the prediction that if we played them, we would beat them.

But with two teams that are nearish in skill.. Around the same ranking... You. Cannot. Make. That. Claim.

It is clear that you haven't watched any of our games, since you're avoiding the question. So your arguments are all based on complete bull[censored]. Say you think you'll win because of actual reasons, like your runningbacks have too much speed for our linebackers (which you wouldn't know since you have no idea how fast our linebackers are), or Masoli is too slippery for our DLinemen (which you wouldn't know since you have no idea how good our DLinemen are).. Etc... These are arguments... Because they actually deal with the game at hand. You have not done that once. You have said that we lost to two teams that you beat, and that your conference is better than ours. That argument makes no logical sense. None. Argue the game at hand.
 
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JXC;1615033; said:
Saine IS nowhere near as good as Gerhart. Gerhart is very likely the best overall runner in the country, save maybe Ingram. You can't say enough good things about Gerhart. Saine is good, but he's not in the same class yet.
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Nowhere near as good is crap.

Saine on that same team with the same plays and such, we would not see much of a difference in stats between the two of them.
 
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3074326;1615029; said:
I've tried, you [censored]ing imbecile, but when you don't respond to half of my points it's pretty difficult to hold an intelligent debate.

And the post that you quoted of mine wasn't even talking about what you just said. I'll make it clear for you, since you apparently don't know how to read along with comprehending the game of football.

HOW MANY OHIO STATE GAMES HAVE YOU WATCHED THIS YEAR?
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Whenever they are on tv. I get to watch most of them because I get the big 10 network. reminding you that you lost to USC the number 5 team in the pac 10.
 
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RockstarBuckeye;1615044; said:
If defense wins championships, then Florida hanging 41 points on one of the better defenses we had this decade makes that addage null and void. I am inclined to believe that the better prepared team wins. I watched a few Oregon games this year. They have some very large problems on defense that Tressel will no doubt try to exploit. "Tresselball" will win this one... Bucks 27, Ducks 24.
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Disagree here on a few points, hopefully I won't get off topic. First off, I would definitely question that 2006 was one of our better defenses..
I would say 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007, 2008, and now 2009 might all be better. Probably not all of those.. 2007 had a serious whole at DT... But probably all the others.

Also: Defense wins championships.. As long as the offense doesn't royally fuck them over. Against Florida, our offense totally fucked us over. I think FLA's average scoring drive was something like 20 yards. That's not our defense's fault. That's the fault of a terrible, terrible offense.


But your point is incredibly relevant: Our team this year lost twice because we had a championship-winning defense, and our offense screwed us over. Our defense is not at the level where we can force a 3-and out, our offense gets a 3-and-out, and then our defense forces another.. All game long. We just can't, they get tired. That's what our offense was doing to our defense for much of the year, unfortunately.

If that happens against Oregon.. We will get massacred. That Oregon offense is too good to let them get a ton of possessions and let them run their up-tempo offense. Our defense will be exhausted.

But if we can run the ball, control the time of possession, and end long drives with touchdowns, then I can't see us losing. Oregon's offense thrives on momentum--running a fast paced offense, keeping the defense on its heels, and attacking, attacking, attacking. They're also prone to 3-and-outs. They're an off and on offense- once they're on, they're on, but when they're off, they can be not so pretty, as they get stuffed behind the LOS.

It will be an easy win if we can keep their offense from getting in rhythm. A 3-and-out, and then a nice, long, sustained drive ending in 7 by our offense, keeping their offense off the field and out of rhythm.. Then rinse and repeat.
That, of course, is a big "if". To do so, Pryor needs to keep defenses honest. We will attempt to run the ball down their throats all game with Saine and Herron. They will start sneaking in the box. Will Pryor be able to force them back out with his arm? That's the big question. If yes, we win. If not, we probably don't.
 
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RockstarBuckeye;1615044; said:
If defense wins championships, then Florida hanging 41 points on one of the better defenses we had this decade makes that addage null and void.
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the 2006 defense had to replace something like 9 starters from 2005, I would hardly call it one of our better defenses this decade, they had the advantage of the most dynamic offenses Ohio State has had this decade but I would say the 2002, 2003, 2005 defenses were hands down better and that each defense since 2006 has been at least as good (especially considering the '07 and '08 defenses had a lot of the same players)

anyways, I'm glad grad stepped in here, but I was kind of looking forward to the discussion about 40 times and how many backups on each team are going to be first round draft picks... oh well
 
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