2010 Big Ten Football Discussion

[sharkonwheels]

Of course this all happens based on the results of the Hawkeyes and Badgers. Say Michigan State loses to Iowa and Iowa loses to the Buckeyes?

Who gets the Rose Bowl birth with 3 7-1 teams in conference? Do they give it to the Spartans based on them having the longest Rose Bowl drought? Or do they take team with the highest BCS standing?

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=big+10+football+conference+title+tiebreaker

Sorry - couldn't resist!

 

[JBaney45]

Of course this all happens based on the results of the Hawkeyes and Badgers. Say Michigan State loses to Iowa and Iowa loses to the Buckeyes?

Who gets the Rose Bowl birth with 3 7-1 teams in conference? Do they give it to the Spartans based on them having the longest Rose Bowl drought? Or do they take team with the highest BCS standing?

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/102204aad.html

In your scenario

Michigan State-Iowa-Ohio State tie in the fashion you've set forth. Iowa is eliminated because of their OOC loss. Leaving Michigan State and Ohio State, the highest team in the BCS would go, which would be Ohio State

In a scenario where MSU lost to someone, Wisconsin won out and Ohio State won out. Ohio State would go again based on BCS rankings.

Ohio State only really needs to avoid being tied at 7-1 with only Wisconsin, and we need 1 sparty loss.

Of course we "only" have to win out too..but I'm sure Tressel has got their focus back.

 

[BB73]

Time to update the scenarios for the Big Ten's Rose Bowl tiebreaking procedure.

If Sparty wins out, they're in the Rose Bowl unless they end up BCS #1 or #2. If they go to the BCS title game, then the Rose Bowl would be forced to take the highest ranked among Boise-TCU-Utah, as long as that ranking is somewhere between BCS #3 and BCS #12.

If Sparty and Wiscy lose 1 game and tOSU wins out, the two-team tiebreaker between Sparty and tOSU is the higher-ranked team in the BCS (since there's no head-to-head and both teams would have the same overall record).

If Sparty loses 2 games and tOSU and Wiscy win out, Wiscy would win a 2-way tiebreaker based on the head-to-head result.

For a 3-way 1-loss tie with Sparty, Wiscy, and tOSU, it would be decided by the highest ranked BCS team. They do NOT use best winning % among games played head-to-head among the 3 teams.

A 3-way 1-loss tie with Iowa, Wiscy, and tOSU is not possible due to games remaining.

A 3-way 1-loss tie with Iowa, Sparty, and tOSU is not possible dur to games remaining.

In summary, if tOSU wins out, 1 Sparty loss should put tOSU in the Rose Bowl, since they'd presumably be above Sparty in the BCS but not back to BCS #1 or #2. But if Sparty makes the BCS Title Game, tOSU would not get the Rose Bowl unless Sparty's opponent in the Title Game is a non-AQ team (edit - or Oregon). If Sparty played Oregon, a tOSU vs-non-AQ Rose Bowl could occur, since the Rose Bowl only has to replace 1 team with a non-AQ.

I'm not bothering to determine 2-loss champion scenarios at this point.

Big.Ten.AQ.Rules

Remaining schedules:

Sparty (8-0, 4-0): @Iowa, Minn, Purd, @PSU

Wisc (7-1, 3-1): @Purd, Ind, @TSUN, NW

tOSU (7-1, 3-1): Purd, @Minn, PSU, @Iowa, TSUN

Iowa (5-2, 2-1): Sparty, @Ind, @NW, tOSU, Minn

 

[Tlangs]

Time to update the scenarios for the Big Ten's Rose Bowl tiebreaking procedure.

If Sparty wins out, they're in the Rose Bowl unless they end up BCS #1 or #2. If they go to the BCS title game, then the Rose Bowl would be forced to take the highest ranked among Boise-TCU-Utah, as long as that ranking is somewhere between BCS #3 and BCS #12.

If Sparty and Wiscy lose 1 game and tOSU wins out, the two-team tiebreaker between Sparty and tOSU is the higher-ranked team in the BCS (since there's no head-to-head and both teams would have the same overall record).

If Sparty loses 2 games and tOSU and Wiscy win out, Wiscy would win a 2-way tiebreaker based on the head-to-head result.

For a 3-way 1-loss tie with Sparty, Wiscy, and tOSU, it would be decided by the highest ranked BCS team. They do NOT use best winning % among games played head-to-head among the 3 teams.

A 3-way 1-loss tie with Iowa, Wiscy, and tOSU is not possible due to games remaining.

A 3-way 1-loss tie with Iowa, Sparty, and tOSU is not possible dur to games remaining.

In summary, if tOSU wins out, 1 Sparty loss should put tOSU in the Rose Bowl, since they'd presumably be above Sparty in the BCS but not back to BCS #1 or #2. But if Sparty makes the BCS Title Game, tOSU would not get the Rose Bowl unless Sparty's opponent in the Title Game is a non-AQ team.

I'm not bothering to determine 2-loss champion scenarios at this point.

Big.Ten.AQ.Rules

Remaining schedules:

Sparty (8-0, 4-0): @Iowa, Minn, Purd, @PSU

Wisc (7-1, 3-1): @Purd, Ind, @TSUN, NW

tOSU (7-1, 3-1): Purd, @Minn, PSU, @Iowa, TSUN

Iowa (5-2, 2-1): Sparty, @Ind, @NW, tOSU, Minn

Ideally we win out and the chips afall into a scenario where we go to the Rose. But if we tie with Whisky and they go to the Rose, we could get a shot at higher ranked opponent in some other BCS game.

 

[muffler dragon]

tOSU would not get the Rose Bowl unless Sparty's opponent in the Title Game is a non-AQ team (edit - or Oregon).

BB:

This has been a discussion with some of my co-workers. I've been of the mind that IF Oregon plays in the NC; then the Pac-10's 2nd team would be excluded from the Rose Bowl like the Big Ten. Is this not the case?

 

[BB73]

BB:

This has been a discussion with some of my co-workers. I've been of the mind that IF Oregon plays in the NC; then the Pac-10's 2nd team would be excluded from the Rose Bowl like the Big Ten. Is this not the case?

It's not really an exclusion of 2nd place teams. It's the fact that the Rose Bowl has agreed that once over the next 4 years (the first time it happens), a Big Ten or Pac 10/12 Champion that goes to the BCS Title Game must be replaced by the highest-rated non-AQ team, if that non-AQ team finishes between #3 and #12 in the final BCS standings (actually anywhere between #3 and #16 as long as they're higher ranked in the BCS than one of the 6 AQ conference champions).

But the Rose Bowl only has to do that for 1 team over the course of the next 4 years - if Oregon and Sparty both make the BCS Title game, only 1 of them has to be replaced by the highest non-AQ team between BCS #3 and BCS #12/16. If Boise State and TCU finish #3 and #4, the #3 team automatically qualifies for the BCS, and the #4 team will only be an at-large team - none of the BCS Bowls are obligated to take the #4 non-AQ team if the #3 team was also a non-AQ team.

So if Oregon and Sparty make the BCS Title Game, the Rose Bowl will most likely be either (Boise St-TCU-Utah) vs 1-loss tOSU or 1-loss Wiscy. In that scenario, the Rose Bowl's selection of the non-AQ team is mandated by the highest BCS ranking among them (as long as at least one of them is between #3 and #12/16). The other team would be be an at-large selection, based on whomever the Rose Bowl prefers. They'd obviously want to have a 1-loss Big Ten team if one were available. And since it's a replacement of a BCS #1/#2 team, they get to select first, and can take anybody with 9 wins in the BCS top-14, except for conference champions from the SEC, ACC, and Big 12, who if not going to the Title game are slotted to the Sugar/Orange/Fiesta bowls, respectively.

The first post in the sticky thread about BCS selection procedures in this forum goes through the BCS Bowl Selection process step-by-step.

 

[JBaney45]

BB:

This has been a discussion with some of my co-workers. I've been of the mind that IF Oregon plays in the NC; then the Pac-10's 2nd team would be excluded from the Rose Bowl like the Big Ten. Is this not the case?

Assuming there is no meltdown by Boise State and/or TCU

This is true as long as a non-aq team isn't playing in the NC against Oregon. If Boise State got into the title game, the Rose Bowl wouldn't be forced to take TCU. They COULD choose to take TCU so they could cover there "once every 4 years" quota and not risk being stuck with a non-aq team that isn't as attractive later on.

If it was a Big Ten vs Pac 10 team in the national championship, the Rose Bowl would be taking one of the non-aq teams and would have their choice of which conference to take their 2nd team from.

 

[BB73]

If Boise State got into the title game, the Rose Bowl wouldn't be forced to take TCU. They COULD choose to take TCU so they could cover there "once every 4 years" quota and not risk being stuck with a non-aq team that isn't as attractive later on.

Not according to the wording of the BCS procedures. The Rose Bowl would have to get a waiver or some sort of agreement that taking the second-highest non-AQ team would satisfy the once-in-4-years requirement. Technically, they have to take an 'automatic qualifier' non-AQ team the first time they lose a team to the BCS Title Game. TCU, even ranked #3 or #4, would NOT be an automatic qualifier if Boise State is #1 or #2. They'd be an at-large team that wouldn't satisfy the once-in-4-years thing the way it's worded.

 

[JBaney45]

Not according to the wording of the BCS procedures. The Rose Bowl would have to get a waiver or some sort of agreement that taking the second-highest non-AQ team would satisfy the once-in-4-years requirement. Technically, they have to take an 'automatic qualifier' non-AQ team the first time they lose a team to the BCS Title Game. TCU, even ranked #3 or #4, would NOT be an automatic qualifier if Boise State is #1 or #2. They'd be an at-large team that wouldn't satisfy the once-in-4-years thing the way it's worded.

Ah right..loophole.

I imagine they wouldn't be that interested in going that route anyway

 

[Rene Descartes]

Of course this all happens based on the results of the Hawkeyes and Badgers. Say Michigan State loses to Iowa and Iowa loses to the Buckeyes?

Who gets the Rose Bowl birth with 3 7-1 teams in conference? Do they give it to the Spartans based on them having the longest Rose Bowl drought? Or do they take team with the highest BCS standing?

We French, not having much knowledge of your American futbol, have un question s'il vous plait.

Est-il possible que "Team A" vancre "Team B" quand "Team A" ne marque que les "field goals" est "Team B" marque au moins un "touchdown?"

 

[Bucknut24]

not sure if this warranted its own thread, so I'll just post this here...

came across a disturbing stat when it comes to Big 10 night games and Ohio St, since 2001, OSU has played 2 home and 13 AWAY

01-NW, @Minny
02-@ NW
03-@Wiscy
04-@ NW, @PSU
05-@PSU
06-@PSU
07-@Minny, @Purdue, @PSU
08-@Wiscy, PSU
09-@IU
10-@Wiscy

how is this fair?!

 

[TDunk]

not sure if this warranted its own thread, so I'll just post this here...

came across a disturbing stat when it comes to Big 10 night games and Ohio St, since 2001, OSU has played 2 home and 13 AWAY

01-NW, @Minny
02-@ NW
03-@Wiscy
04-@ NW, @PSU
05-@PSU
06-@PSU
07-@Minny, @Purdue, @PSU
08-@Wiscy, PSU
09-@IU
10-@Wiscy

how is this fair?!

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is wrong. Unless I drank way too much during the PSU games those years (which is possible), I doubt we played away 4 years in a row. Only Barry Alvarez has that kind of power.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is wrong. Unless I drank way too much during the PSU games those years (which is possible), I doubt we played away 4 years in a row. Only Barry Alvarez has that kind of power.

Not only was the 06 PSU game at Home, it was not a night game either. The 04 game was also at home, and I'm fairly sure it was also not a night game. My memory is it was a nooner, actually.

 

[buckeyesin07]

not sure if this warranted its own thread, so I'll just post this here...

came across a disturbing stat when it comes to Big 10 night games and Ohio St, since 2001, OSU has played 2 home and 13 AWAY

01-NW, @Minny
02-@ NW
03-@Wiscy
04-@ NW, @PSU
05-@PSU
06-@PSU
07-@Minny, @Purdue, @PSU
08-@Wiscy, PSU
09-@IU
10-@Wiscy

how is this fair?!

The '04 and '06 PSU games were in Columbus and they were during the day--I went to both. In '06 we played @Iowa at night. In '10 we're playing @Minnesota at night.

 

[Bucknut24]

sorry, replace PSU with Iowa in 2006

and your right about 2004, I misread it when looking at the schedules (it was late)

Here, pretty sure this is correct now

01-NW, @Minny
02-@ NW
03-@Wiscy
04-@ NW,
05-@PSU
06-@Iowa
07-@Minny, @Purdue, @PSU
08-@Wiscy, PSU
09-@IU
10-@Wiscy, @Minny

Still doesn't change the fact we've only played 2 home vs 13 away