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2010-2011 Men's Basketball (Outright Big Ten & BTT Champs)

OSU_Buckguy

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is duke the likely opponent for ohio state in the big ten/acc challenge? the games are generally decided by how teams finish in their respective conference the season before. previous match-ups and the locations of overall/recent games are also considered.

my first inclination is that ohio state will face duke, the acc's co-champion with maryland, in durham. co-champions purdue and michigan state are our competition for that game. nonetheless, let's look at the games between duke and ohio state, purdue, and michigan state in the challenge, as well as where the four schools have played their games.

michigan state has played duke twice ('03 and '04).

purdue has played duke once ('08). the game was held in west lafayette, which was the location for the last two and the last three of four games that purdue has played. therefore, purdue is positioned to play an away game this year.

ohio state has played duke once ('02). the game was held in greensboro, which, in spite of it being labeled as a neutral game, will be considered a home game for duke. the buckeyes have alternated locations each year of the challenge, with last year's game being held in columbus. ohio state will probably play at an acc locale next year, but that is not a certainty.

duke has played its last two games away from its own location, so it will play at home next season.

therefore, because michigan state has played duke twice already, they are out of competition for another duke game next year. between ohio state and purdue as duke's opponent, i think purdue will be selected, which would prove my initial inclination incorrect. because duke should play a game at home and because duke's next game against ohio state should be in columbus and because duke's next game against purdue should be in durham, it is clear to me that ohio state will not play duke. when one also considers that purdue just played duke in the ncaa tournament, that match-up appears all but set.

if ohio state does not play duke, whom will the buckeyes face? will it be maryland, the acc's regular season co-champion? i don't see that happening either. michigan state and maryland have yet to face each other in the challenage, and the teams just met in the tournament. virginia tech and florida state finished the season tied for third in the acc. the bucks have faced each once on our court, with, of course, ohio state playing the seminoles last year. a return trip to either school makes sense. georgia tech also won't be out of the question. in the challenge, the teams have faced each other only once (in columbus). a rematch of this year's tournament game also adds interest.

in short, i see purdue playing duke in durham, michigan state playing maryland at either location, and ohio state playing either virginia tech, florida state, or georgia tech away from home.
 
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OSU_Buckguy;1683062; said:
is duke the likely opponent for ohio state in the big ten/acc challenge? the games are generally decided by how teams finish in their respective conference the season before. previous match-ups and the locations of overall/recent games are also considered.

my first inclination is that ohio state will face duke, the acc's co-champion with maryland, in durham. co-champions purdue and michigan state are our competition for that game. nonetheless, let's look at the games between duke and ohio state, purdue, and michigan state in the challenge, as well as where the four schools have played their games.

michigan state has played duke twice ('03 and '04).

purdue has played duke once ('08). the game was held in west lafayette, which was the location for the last two and the last three of four games that purdue has played. therefore, purdue is positioned to play an away game this year.

ohio state has played duke once ('02). the game was held in greensboro, which, in spite of it being labeled as a neutral game, will be considered a home game for duke. the buckeyes have alternated locations each year of the challenge, with last year's game being held in columbus. ohio state will probably play at an acc locale next year, but that is not a certainty.

duke has played its last two games away from its own location, so it will play at home next season.

therefore, because michigan state has played duke twice already, they are out of competition for another duke game next year. between ohio state and purdue as duke's opponent, i think purdue will be selected, which would prove my initial inclination incorrect. because duke should play a game at home and because duke's next game against ohio state should be in columbus and because duke's next game against purdue should be in durham, it is clear to me that ohio state will not play duke. when one also considers that purdue just played duke in the ncaa tournament, that match-up appears all but set.

if ohio state does not play duke, whom will the buckeyes face? will it be maryland, the acc's regular season co-champion? i don't see that happening either. michigan state and maryland have yet to face each other in the challenage, and the teams just met in the tournament. virginia tech and florida state finished the season tied for third in the acc. the bucks have faced each once on our court, with, of course, ohio state playing the seminoles last year. a return trip to either school makes sense. georgia tech also won't be out of the question. in the challenge, the teams have faced each other only once (in columbus). a rematch of this year's tournament game also adds interest.

in short, i see purdue playing duke in durham, michigan state playing maryland at either location, and ohio state playing either virginia tech, florida state, or georgia tech away from home.
They could go by how they finish in their league standings and then maybe Ohio State would play Duke. I would not mind playing those guys next year anyplace, anytime.
 
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If the game is anywhere within reasonable driving distance of Northern Virginia I am there. Maryland would be best for me but Va Tech would work as an overnighter. UVA is only 2 hours away but that matchup isn't likely (i.e. snowballs chance in hell).
 
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LitlBuck;1683086; said:
They could go by how they finish in their league standings and then maybe Ohio State would play Duke. I would not mind playing those guys next year anyplace, anytime.
if they go by how the teams finished, then purdue would be just as likely as ohio state or michigan state. i don't think the conference tournament is considered all that much in the selection process. when you add that a purdue/duke game would be a rematch of this year's tournament game, it seems like a slam dunk. as i also stated, duke has a home game coming and they've already played ohio state at home, whereas their only match against purdue was held in west lafayette. i'd like to see the buckeyes face the blue devils in durham, but i don't see how the selection committee could pass on the opportunity of pitting purdue against duke.

trust me, i want ohio state to face duke. i know the head team manager from the laettner, hill, and hurley days. he literally has coach k on his phone's contact list. we talk a lot about college basketball. i know he'd set me up.
 
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OSU_Buckguy;1683093; said:
if they go by how the teams finished, then purdue would be just as likely as ohio state or michigan state. i don't think the conference tournament is considered all that much in the selection process. when you add that a purdue/duke game would be a rematch of this year's tournament game, it seems like a slam dunk. as i also stated, duke has a home game coming and they've already played ohio state at home, whereas their only match against purdue was held in west lafayette. i'd like to see the buckeyes face the blue devils in durham, but i don't see how the selection committee could pass on the opportunity of pitting purdue against duke.

trust me, i want ohio state to face duke. i know the head team manager from the laettner, hill, and hurley days. he literally has coach k on his phone's contact list. we talk a lot about college basketball. i know he'd set me up.
Well, then Purdue can have the pleasure of punking them. I think we will be able to hold our own whoever we play next year in that challenge.

Oh, should I be giving my reps to someone else:) I could never do that to someone associated with the Duke basketball program.
 
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Bucks21;1683149; said:
Biggest question regarding the team next year, who is going to get the most minutes at the point?
with sullinger on the court, who plays point guard doesn't worry me as much as when sullinger is not on the court. there will be plenty of offensive firepower when lighty, buford, diebler, and sully share minutes. substitute diebler with thomas and the offense will still be threatening, perhaps even moreso, with rebounding as strong as it has been in a long time.

without sullinger, it will incumbent upon lighty, buford, and diebler to be competent ball-handlers. those three cannot be the sole means of scoring if the team is going to be successful. as such, when lauderdale is on the court, i can see thomas filling the four. if craft or smith prove to be adequate scorers, however, then it's game on. of course, if turner surprises all and returns, then it's... :groove2:.
 
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Steve19;1687145; said:
Well, no surprise that Dickie V is picking Duke #1.

Duke loses Zoubek, Scheyer, and Thomas. They return Smith, the Plumlees, Dawkins (who saw limited time), and Curry from transfer. They add a top-flight PG. The wildcard is Singler--whether he leaves for the NBA or returns for his senior season.

So even assuming Singler returns, they lose the lion's share of their starting size. I also think people underestimate how important Scheyer was to that team. I'd say Duke is around #5-10 preseason if Singler returns (which Vitale is assuming, when he has them at #1), and around #20 if he does not.

That said, I think #2 is way too high for OSU without Turner. I'd put both MSU and Purdue in front of the Bucks. How strong is the Big Ten, though, that they have 3 teams in Vitale's top 6?
 
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OSU_Buckguy;1683093; said:
if they go by how the teams finished, then purdue would be just as likely as ohio state or michigan state. i don't think the conference tournament is considered all that much in the selection process. when you add that a purdue/duke game would be a rematch of this year's tournament game, it seems like a slam dunk. as i also stated, duke has a home game coming and they've already played ohio state at home, whereas their only match against purdue was held in west lafayette. i'd like to see the buckeyes face the blue devils in durham, but i don't see how the selection committee could pass on the opportunity of pitting purdue against duke..
Here's how they can pass - last 2 years: Duke 2, Purdue 0. Two games decided by 13+ points apiece. No need for a rematch!

I can understand them putting MSU-Maryland and Duke-Purdue (and even OSU-GT) together as "rematches" but I don't think it would be the best choice. First of all, I think OSU deserves better than a GT-type team, because as conference champs they deserve to play someone who was/ will be better than GT, clearly middle of the pack at best in the ACC. Secondly, as I said before, there is no need for a "rematch" when it's already been established in each of the past 2 years that Duke > Purdue. Ultimately I think it makes the most sense to put OSU at Duke (with Duke @ MSU a close second). If they put OSU and Duke together, they could somehow get a rematch with MSU-Maryland, although both teams are due home games. I see OSU @ Duke or OSU @ Maryland being reasonable choices from an OSU perspective. I think anything other than playing Duke, Maryland or UNC would be disappointing. I could understand them putting Purdue @ Maryland since that is the natural matchup based on who needs to play away and who needs a home game as well as the conference champ tie-in. Will be tough to make it fair for all with 3 champs of the BT (all strong again) and 2 from the ACC (only one will be good again).
 
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