2009 tOSU Offense Discussion

[korchiki]

I have to say that I am surprised so many people were so impressed with the play of TP today. Before I get any further into this I want to make things clear that I am not bashing him or the offense in any way. With that said, if it you look at Pryor's stats he was not impressive. 8/17 for 125 yards passing and 50 yards rushing. If you take out the 62 yard TD pass to Posey (which was underthrown) and the 22 yard pass to Sanzo (where he made a nice play on it as well) TP was 6/15 for 41 yards and a TD. Add in the fact that he missed a WIDE OPEN Sanzo along the sideline and I felt he looked very average.

TP did not win us the game, our defense and special teams did. On our first TD it was the special teams play of Small. If we can't score from the 9 we have bigger problems. Also, if you take out Pryor's 5 rushes, we ran the ball 44 times compared to 17 pass attempts. I also need to mention the the OL looked very composed out there considering the hostile atmosphere. No sacks and no false start penalties (that I can remember at least) is a very impressive accomplishment.

As I mentioned earlier, Pryor looked average in the game. Because of his athleticism, he is always a threat to make the big play and that adds in an additional wrinkle for the opposing defenses to worry about. What Pryor did do was give us a glimpse of the type of player and leader he can potentially be. He is going to be a very good QB if he can continue to manage games. We are in great shape to keep things going but we (Buckeye nation) need to keep things in perspective and understand that he is only a true sophomore who continues to grow with every snap he takes.

GO BUCKS! Beat IOWA!

 

[OregonBuckeye]

I have to say that I am surprised so many people were so impressed with the play of TP today. Before I get any further into this I want to make things clear that I am not bashing him or the offense in any way. With that said, if it you look at Pryor's stats he was not impressive. 8/17 for 125 yards passing and 50 yards rushing. If you take out the 62 yard TD pass to Posey (which was underthrown) and the 22 yard pass to Sanzo (where he made a nice play on it as well) TP was 6/15 for 41 yards and a TD. Add in the fact that he missed a WIDE OPEN Sanzo along the sideline and I felt he looked very average.

Which is silly. The reason people are so impressed is because they saw a poised QB who made big plays and no turnovers.

I noticed you conveniently decided to take out plays Pryor did make while making no mention of some of the drops.

And you're really complaining about the TD pass to Posey for being "underthrown"? Picky, picky, picky.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

I have to say that I am surprised so many people were so impressed with the play of TP today. Before I get any further into this I want to make things clear that I am not bashing him or the offense in any way. With that said, if it you look at Pryor's stats he was not impressive. 8/17 for 125 yards passing and 50 yards rushing. If you take out the 62 yard TD pass to Posey (which was underthrown) and the 22 yard pass to Sanzo (where he made a nice play on it as well) TP was 6/15 for 41 yards and a TD. Add in the fact that he missed a WIDE OPEN Sanzo along the sideline and I felt he looked very average.

TP did not win us the game, our defense and special teams did. On our first TD it was the special teams play of Small. If we can't score from the 9 we have bigger problems. Also, if you take out Pryor's 5 rushes, we ran the ball 44 times compared to 17 pass attempts. I also need to mention the the OL looked very composed out there considering the hostile atmosphere. No sacks and no false start penalties (that I can remember at least) is a very impressive accomplishment.

As I mentioned earlier, Pryor looked average in the game. Because of his athleticism, he is always a threat to make the big play and that adds in an additional wrinkle for the opposing defenses to worry about. What Pryor did do was give us a glimpse of the type of player and leader he can potentially be. He is going to be a very good QB if he can continue to manage games. We are in great shape to keep things going but we (Buckeye nation) need to keep things in perspective and understand that he is only a true sophomore who continues to grow with every snap he takes.

GO BUCKS! Beat IOWA!

And if you add in the two swings to Posey that were classified as runs he's 10/19 for 144 yards... and to go even further there were two drops by receivers, one by Duron on what would've been a first down on the first drive, and one by Posey on a good throw by Pryor just over the LB's and right in front of the safeties. If Posey hauls that one in he has plenty of YAC ahead of him.

We can play the "what if" game all night long but the bottom line is Pryor had a game that really showed he's making progress in his development and that the rest of the team is as well.

 

[NateG]

Statistically State Penn was a good defense unlike Minnesota or NMSU or Indiana. Add that to the fact that he played in a high pressure situation(110k and back home for the first time in a year against a team the he knew he blew the game for last year). And he made Bowman look foolish on his touchdown run......




plus he was injured all game.

 

[UpNorthBuckeye]

Loved Pryor's game. Looked a lot like Craig Krenzel against Miami. Running, timely (big) throws, managing the game... and no turnovers (although CK had a couple against Miami).

He did exactly what he was supposed to do. TP's constant threat to run also binds up defenses, to the extent they are going to spy him and keep linebackers close.

As his passing ability gets better (settles down) he'll be better at taking advantage of what the opposing defenses are doing.

The running game was good, so he didn't have to be Drew Breese out there.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Ohio St. Football Ranking Summary

rush off 23 (3)
pass off 98 (10)
total off 62 (7)
sacks allowed t44 (7)

the defense continues to put up staggeringly good numbers... 3rd against the run 6th overall and 4th in scoring defense.

 

[jlb1705]

I have to say that I am surprised so many people were so impressed with the play of TP today. Before I get any further into this I want to make things clear that I am not bashing him or the offense in any way. With that said, if it you look at Pryor's stats he was not impressive. 8/17 for 125 yards passing and 50 yards rushing. If you take out the 62 yard TD pass to Posey (which was underthrown) and the 22 yard pass to Sanzo (where he made a nice play on it as well) TP was 6/15 for 41 yards and a TD. Add in the fact that he missed a WIDE OPEN Sanzo along the sideline and I felt he looked very average.

TP did not win us the game, our defense and special teams did. On our first TD it was the special teams play of Small. If we can't score from the 9 we have bigger problems. Also, if you take out Pryor's 5 rushes, we ran the ball 44 times compared to 17 pass attempts. I also need to mention the the OL looked very composed out there considering the hostile atmosphere. No sacks and no false start penalties (that I can remember at least) is a very impressive accomplishment.

As I mentioned earlier, Pryor looked average in the game. Because of his athleticism, he is always a threat to make the big play and that adds in an additional wrinkle for the opposing defenses to worry about. What Pryor did do was give us a glimpse of the type of player and leader he can potentially be. He is going to be a very good QB if he can continue to manage games. We are in great shape to keep things going but we (Buckeye nation) need to keep things in perspective and understand that he is only a true sophomore who continues to grow with every snap he takes.

GO BUCKS! Beat IOWA!

Statistically State Penn was a good defense unlike Minnesota or NMSU or Indiana. Add that to the fact that he played in a high pressure situation(110k and back home for the first time in a year against a team the he knew he blew the game for last year). And he made Bowman look foolish on his touchdown run......




plus he was injured all game.

Bold: Shows you what just looking at the stats will get you. The guy with the *average* stats led his team by a 3-score win over the team that's been piling up good-looking stats on defense all season.

If you play the "If you take away..." game you can make anyone look great or lousy. Watch this: 8/17 for 125 yards passing and 50 yards rushing. If you take out the incompletions TP was 8/8 for 125 yards and a 2 TDs.

I say that Pryor looked great on Saturday for the same reasons I say he looked bad in games like Toledo & Indiana. The difference was in his decision making. He made better decisions and he made them earlier. He took what the defense gave and didn't force throws.

By the way, I haven't heard anybody talk about turnovers this week. I'll have to go back and watch the video again. Pryor's been good for at least one a week - I must've missed it while I was in the can or something.

 

[BearBuck27]

I have to say that I am surprised so many people were so impressed with the play of TP today. Before I get any further into this I want to make things clear that I am not bashing him or the offense in any way. With that said, if it you look at Pryor's stats he was not impressive. 8/17 for 125 yards passing and 50 yards rushing. If you take out the 62 yard TD pass to Posey (which was underthrown) and the 22 yard pass to Sanzo (where he made a nice play on it as well) TP was 6/15 for 41 yards and a TD. Add in the fact that he missed a WIDE OPEN Sanzo along the sideline and I felt he looked very average.

TP did not win us the game, our defense and special teams did. On our first TD it was the special teams play of Small. If we can't score from the 9 we have bigger problems. Also, if you take out Pryor's 5 rushes, we ran the ball 44 times compared to 17 pass attempts. I also need to mention the the OL looked very composed out there considering the hostile atmosphere. No sacks and no false start penalties (that I can remember at least) is a very impressive accomplishment.

As I mentioned earlier, Pryor looked average in the game. Because of his athleticism, he is always a threat to make the big play and that adds in an additional wrinkle for the opposing defenses to worry about. What Pryor did do was give us a glimpse of the type of player and leader he can potentially be. He is going to be a very good QB if he can continue to manage games. We are in great shape to keep things going but we (Buckeye nation) need to keep things in perspective and understand that he is only a true sophomore who continues to grow with every snap he takes.

GO BUCKS! Beat IOWA!

The reason a lot of people, including me, are giddy over an 8/17 game was the progress that he showed. He started showing it the in the Minnesota game, where he stepped into his throws with pressure coming into his face, and he continued much of that progress last week against NMSU.

Today the thing that he showed me, that I haven't seen out of TP was patience in the passing game. He converted 2 key third down rollouts on the game-icing drive because he was patient enough to let the play develop and dump off good passes that put his player in position to get the first down, or touchdown in Saine's case. This is something that I'm not sure I would've seen the pre-Purdue Terrelle Pryor do.

Is he a finished product? Absolutely not. In fact, far from it. He has to complete that pass to Sanz, and he missed other passes as well, but the progress that he's shown the last three weeks, including this week against a stingy defense in a hostile environment is reason for great optimism for OSU fans. This game will be his in the future. The only question is when, and we may have started to see an answer on Saturday.

 

[NateG]

Bold: Shows you what just looking at the stats will get you. The guy with the *average* stats led his team by a 3-score win over the team that's been piling up good-looking stats on defense all season.

If you play the "If you take away..." game you can make anyone look great or lousy. Watch this: 8/17 for 125 yards passing and 50 yards rushing. If you take out the incompletions TP was 8/8 for 125 yards and a 2 TDs.

I say that Pryor looked great on Saturday for the same reasons I say he looked bad in games like Toledo & Indiana. The difference was in his decision making. He made better decisions and he made them earlier. He took what the defense gave and didn't force throws.

By the way, I haven't heard anybody talk about turnovers this week. I'll have to go back and watch the video again. Pryor's been good for at least one a week - I must've missed it while I was in the can or something.

I am not sure why you tied me in to the other guys comments. I agree with what you and the others are saying and to say that TP was average is majorly underestimating what he did. He made plays when they needed to be made... made great decisions(no turnovers and no sacks-o line has to do with that too- but he used to stand there too long). Seeing the field and making decisions to change how the defense had to play him was huge(the safety look off commented on earlier) It was a great game by a still young QB that got himself some confidence by playing the way he did. I was pleased needless to say.

 

[brutus2002]

He managed the game in a hostile environment. He was calm, cool, and collected. There were no passes that were ridiculous dicisions. He looked like a veteran. We don't need him to be amazing with our defense. If he throws for 2 TD's and and runs for another this weekend we will smoke Iowa. No turnovers and take command. He is starting to look like Smith did late 2004...he understands what he needs to do. IMO the game has slowed for him. Is he the GOAT...NAH but he is improving and has unlimited potential. I give him a solid A. We missed some chances but hey we were not playing against chopped liver Saturday.

I will admit that our WR's need to catch balls hitting them in the hands. We have to remember these guys are young as well. Heck besides Dane/Ray these guys are babies. Duron and Posey are gonna be special and Dane is soooooooooooo reliable...their all back excpet Ray.

I love seeing Boren becoming TP's safety Valve. AWESOME baby...the kid has soft hands and I love seeing him lower the head and plow. I can tell Boren and TP are getting more and more comfortable playing pitch and catch...its great to see a freshmen FB play this good.

I can see Ray has confidence and is really buying in...good for you Ray. This helps relieve TP because we are getting excellent FP on offense. Starting a drive at the 9 of the other team is always good. Ray IMO has sparked our ST play.

Devin Barclay...hey we are getting our kicker for next year some reps. He is looking better after a week of practice. He looked confident this weekend. TP and Tressel need to know they have at least 3 in the red zone and IMO Barclay is gonna end up being solid.

The defense fed off the offense...Cam Heyward told Herron to get off his ass and stand up...these guys are "TEAM! TEAM! TEAM!"...its beautiful to watch.

When bench players are jumping up and down watching the defense destroy the opposition at their stadium is great.

 

[daddyphatsacs]

If you take out the 62 yard TD pass to Posey (which was underthrown) and the 22 yard pass to Sanzo (where he made a nice play on it as well) TP was 6/15 for 41 yards and a TD. Add in the fact that he missed a WIDE OPEN Sanzo along the sideline and I felt he looked very average.

TP did not win us the game, our defense and special teams did. On our first TD it was the special teams play of Small. If we can't score from the 9 we have bigger problems. Also, if you take out Pryor's 5 rushes, we ran the ball 44 times compared to 17 pass attempts. No Sacks....

You are being a little ticky tacky on the "underthrown" "overthrown" comments. Every quarterback misses, Pryor is allowed to miss. Hell, from my count he only "missed" maybe 3 passes, which is excellent improvement for him. He didn't throw any up for grabs, another huge improvement. One thing that I noticed that you did not mention is the fact that when Pryor did run it was very devastating to the defense. He had a couple of 10+ yard scampers that resulted in a first down. IMHO those are the kinds of plays that take the wind out of the sails of an opposing defense.

You mention the fact that the offensive line didn't give up any sacks, that's true. Some of that can be attributed to Pryor buying time.

This is a team sport, I thought that the team played great as a whole. The defense set the tempo. The offense took what Penn St. gave them. Pryor led the offense efficiently and without any mistakes. What I liked the most is the fact that we took the fight to them, something that I have not seen out of the Bucks in a while. I think this is the blue print for a title run next season. :)

 

[jlb1705]

I am not sure why you tied me in to the other guys comments. I agree with what you and the others are saying and to say that TP was average is majorly underestimating what he did. He made plays when they needed to be made... made great decisions(no turnovers and no sacks-o line has to do with that too- but he used to stand there too long). Seeing the field and making decisions to change how the defense had to play him was huge(the safety look off commented on earlier) It was a great game by a still young QB that got himself some confidence by playing the way he did. I was pleased needless to say.

I wasn't tying you in per se, at least not in the sense that you think. I was just highlighting the point you made about Penn State's *statistically* superior defense to show how looking at the stats doesn't give the complete picture. I wasn't arguing against you, just using some of your words to support my argument. I'll admit that I probably did it clumsily though.

 

[NateG]

I wasn't tying you in per se, at least not in the sense that you think. I was just highlighting the point you made about Penn State's *statistically* superior defense to show how looking at the stats doesn't give the complete picture. I wasn't arguing against you, just using some of your words to support my argument. I'll admit that I probably did it clumsily though.

LOL it's cool....


And TP did remind me of Krenzel in the regard you are talking about, Daddy. A timely run or a well timed pass to convert on 3rds to break the will of a Defense and a team. the Illinois run is one that sticks out... Krenzel had 2-3 yards left and gutted it out to get the first. He consistently did that. I feel we have alot to be excited about. TP is now doing all of this being the main guy gameplanned for instead of Beanie last year.

 

[bukIpower]

Also dont forget he threw a strike to Posey on a sideline route and if not just 1 foot too wide thats a first down and another completion. Yeah bottom line is Pryor's game was what we needed and I consider it a good game by him. Not great, but definately not average either. The mentioned drops by the recievers, and the also the passes to poses marked as runs. He's 12/19 with WHO knows how many yards because Posey had field ahead of him after the catch. Then you add in what he did with his legs as well what do you expect out of the guy? Expecting 100 yards rushing a game isn't wise because as Tressel always says if the QB gets 50 yards or more rushing the team's in good shape.

In saying that I just hope Pryor is healthy enough to continue to play like he is. Because his mobility is essential to creating that strain on a defense to stay in on playaction and to spy etc. I suppose if he can do it against PSU in Happy Valley then he certainly can against Iowa in the Shoe'.

He was exactly what we needed out of him which was a leader, game manager, and difference maker.

 

[CalvinistBuck]

This is a team sport, I thought that the team played great as a whole. The defense set the tempo. The offense took what Penn St. gave them. Pryor led the offense efficiently and without any mistakes. What I liked the most is the fact that we took the fight to them, something that I have not seen out of the Bucks in a while. I think this is the blue print for a title run next season. :)

Excellent summation.

The Bucks obviously had a good week of practice. The gameplan was excellent on both sides of the ball. The Buckeye offense never abandoned the running game and I thought the pair of swing passes to #8 were especially good calls.