2009 tOSU Offense Discussion

[jimotis4heisman]

I knew JT would run clock and I will take the win every time but why does that mean that you don`t execute on offense. Why can`t you win the game and NOT go 3 and out.....really can`t it be possible to do both. I agree not chucking the ball down the field but there has to be some safe passing plays(run option sweeps with the pass option built in) that we can try to do why securing the W.

Not calling 3 basic run plays saying that we are going to run 2 minutes of clock and gain no yards(does it really need to be that vanilla?). I realize that we had the flu and are playing new guys on the oline but we really do recruit well....better than the rest of the Big10....just seems to me we are making excuses for what we didn`t accomplish. I knew we were going to run clock but doesn`t that mean that you can`t still gain positive yards? Its not like we were on the 8 yard line of our own territory.

Again I love the W but the mindset of this offense year in and year out has to be the offense of 2006 with TS. We have to attack people and get after defenses....make them pay for playing the run. Make them pay for selling out to stop TP. Go Bucks

you fail to understand the most simplistic way to win the game. if you fail to comprehend the major key to the game, then you fail...

 

[buckeyes_rock]

yards) Even the drive at the end of the 3rd into the 4th was on the move until Schoffield made that play on 3rd and 2. Pryor beats him he might have scored a TD.

I watched that play a few times on the DVR...If Pryor had a second of time on that rollout, he had Stoney wide (and I mean wide) open in the middle of the field for a TD. He also might have had Z Boren for the first. It looked like a good play call, just blown up by the defensive guy who made a nice play.

Too bad though, when I paused the play and saw a Tight End rolling into the middle and no defender there...that would've been nice. :)

 

[cbrian815]

you fail to understand the most simplistic way to win the game. if you fail to comprehend the major key to the game, then you fail...

Oh really, I think I understand that we were wanting to run clock on offense.....but why does that have to translate to 3 and outs. I have rewatched the game a few times.

So if we didn`t want to turn it over then punt on first down.....or take a knee 3 times when you get the ball and punt it away. I really think I understand Tressel Ball.....but not being able to move the ball at all when you want to run clock was my point......there were two reasons why wisconsin ran all those plays they turned it over and we couldnt sustain much of any quality drives. I just tend to believe its ok to play Tressel ball and sustain drives....I am sure JT does too. Go Bucks

 

[cbrian815]

I watched that play a few times on the DVR...If Pryor had a second of time on that rollout, he had Stoney wide (and I mean wide) open in the middle of the field for a TD. He also might have had Z Boren for the first. It looked like a good play call, just blown up by the defensive guy who made a nice play.

Too bad though, when I paused the play and saw a Tight End rolling into the middle and no defender there...that would've been nice. :)

I saw that too....that DE from Wisconsin may be the best pure DE in the Big10. He is a good one, our tackles didn`t have anything for him(great learning experience). I would take our D over anyone in the Big10 but he is a really good one.....and he was really going wide and then would use an inside move after he set our tackles up with the outside move. Go Bucks

 

[BB73]

I knew JT would run clock and I will take the win every time but why does that mean that you don`t execute on offense. Why can`t you win the game and NOT go 3 and out.....really can`t it be possible to do both. I agree not chucking the ball down the field but there has to be some safe passing plays(run option sweeps with the pass option built in) that we can try to do why securing the W.

Take a look at the last few minutes of the Arizona-Washington game from last Saturday. With a 5-point lead and the ball at their own 37-yard line with less than 3 minutes left, Arizona threw thw ball on first down - it bounced off the receiver's foot and Washington got a lucky interception and ran it back for the game-winning TD.

I'm happy watching tOSU run a boring offense in the 4th quarter with a lead, and not losing games in such a fashion.

 

[BB73]

I'd just like to note that this has been a good discussion in this thread today. Folks have asked questions about the offense, and differing opinions have been expressed.

But it's been done without animosity, and without anybody letting their frustrations get the better of them while posting.

 

[cbrian815]

Take a look at the last few minutes of the Arizona-Washington game from last Saturday. With a 5-point lead and the ball at their own 37-yard line with less than 3 minutes left, Arizona threw thw ball on first down - it bounced off the receiver's foot and Washington got a lucky interception and ran it back for the game-winning TD.

I'm happy watching tOSU run a boring offense in the 4th quarter with a lead, and not losing games in such a fashion.

Well that seems stupid to me(cardinals coaching staff messed up). We are up 31 to 13 with 5 minutes to go. Thats a different score. We have a three possession game and we don`t have a probowl qb running our offense....ours actually needs more useful reps. Something that we had been doing....and I thought it was a great idea to get TP some more reps.

Why was wisconsin different than Indiana it was 26 to 7(19 point lead) when TP drove us down the field late in the game and then he drove us down again and turned it over with an int....the only difference is that we have struggled in the past with Wisconsin. Go Bucks

 

[osugrad21]

Why was wisconsin different than Indiana it was 26 to 7(19 point lead) when TP drove us down the field late in the game and then he drove us down again and turned it over with an int....the only difference is that we have struggled in the past with Wisconsin. Go Bucks

Your D is playing lights out...you have a nice lead. Why wouldn't you do everything you can to shorten the game?

I know what you are saying though...but right now, and especially Saturday, you get Pryor off the field and take the win.

The offense has to get better, but Saturday was not the time to turn it over to a QB who was struggling all day.

 

[BB73]

Well that seems stupid to me(cardinals coaching staff messed up). We are up 31 to 13 with 5 minutes to go. Thats a different score. We have a three possession game and we don`t have a probowl qb running our offense....ours actually needs more useful reps. Something that we had been doing....and I thought it was a great idea to get TP some more reps.

Why was wisconsin different than Indiana it was 26 to 7(19 point lead) when TP drove us down the field late in the game and then he drove us down again and turned it over with an int....the only difference is that we have struggled in the past with Wisconsin. Go Bucks

Once tOSU got the 3-score lead (their first offensive possession of the second half had a nice pass to Sanzo near the left sideline, and a misdirection run by Saine for 31 yards, followed by conservative play calls that resulted in the FG and a 31-13 lead), there was 10:16 left when tOSU next got the ball back.

That's enough time to lose a 3-score lead to a good team (see NC St-tOSU in 2003), so tOSU ran two minutes off the clock and punted. To me, that was smart 'just-win-the-game' strategy.

The next time tOSU got the ball back, it was on their own 18-yard line with 3:16 left. I think the main difference between that situation and the Indiana game was the field position. Trying to get passing reps in that situation could have led to a turnover and some points for Wiscy.

If that had happened, many fans would be complaining about how the voters treated tOSU because the final score was closer than the run of play in the 4th quarter. It's hard to make everybody happy.

So I'd say that field position was the difference.

Also, FYI, earlier I was referring to the Ariz-Wash college game, so it was the Wildcats that lost that game.

 

[cbrian815]

Once tOSU got the 3-score lead (their first offensive possession of the second half had a nice pass to Sanzo near the left sideline, and a misdirection run by Saine for 31 yards, followed by conservative play calls that resulted in the FG and a 31-13 lead), there was 10:16 left when tOSU next got the ball back.

That's enough time to lose a 3-score lead to a good team (see NC St-tOSU in 2003), so tOSU ran two minutes off the clock and punted. To me, that was smart 'just-win-the-game' strategy.

The next time tOSU got the ball back, it was on their own 18-yard line with 3:16 left. I think the main difference between that situation and the Indiana game was the field position. Trying to get passing reps in that situation could have led to a turnover and some points for Wiscy.

If that had happened, many fans would be complaining about how the voters treated tOSU because the final score was closer than the run of play in the 4th quarter. It's hard to make everybody happy.

So I'd say that field position was the difference.

Also, FYI, earlier I was referring to the Ariz-Wash college game, so it was the Wildcats that lost that game.

My bad, I was thinking we had a drive around the 35 yard line with 5 minutes on the clock. The 18 is pretty deep. Go Bucks

 

[Taosman]

It looked to me like JT shut it down in the 3rd quarter after we went up by 3 scores. I would have liked to have seen more from the offense at that point, you have them under control and you have a lot of time left.
The one misdirection play was a thing of beauty and Saine nearly popped it. We don't run nearly enough of that kind of stuff to keep the defenses at honest. Play calling, again.

 

[Taosman]

It doesn't have to be a hurry up offense, just a no huddle. It doesn't allow the defense to make as many defensive changes. Texas did it in the bowl game against us when we were dominating them and it got them the lead back. It was just a no huddle and then they would get the play off quick when they all got set. It creates a agressive feel on O and a (sorry for the pun) Defensive mentality on D. The D starts to catch plays instead of attack.

This is a great point! And our kids probably hate it when we shut things down. Why not be a little more aggressive and excite our kids with diversity?

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'd just like to note that this has been a good discussion in this thread today. Folks have asked questions about the offense, and differing opinions have been expressed.

But it's been done without animosity, and without anybody letting their frustrations get the better of them while posting.

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[DubCoffman62]

Re-Watched the game. These were the things I saw on the first 5 drives on which the offense struggled. Numbered points not drives.

1. Tackles tried to get out quick to beat the speed rush and were beat inside a couple of times.
2. Pryor made a bad decision on a zone read option which lost yards. He would have been one on one with a CB and probably gotten 15-20 yards easy instead of handing off.
3. Saine missed a major block on a QB draw.
4. Pryor was rushing himself in the pocket even when he had the time to look for another WR. He had holes opening in the middle of the secondary (my assumption was due to Pryor's outside runs and the defense guarding the edge). He just didn't seem to be patient enough to watch for patterns in between safeties or crossing behind LBs. The backers followed his eyes on a couple of the pass plays. But Pryor threw some bad balls. A couple high and a couple low and was not in sync with where he thought WR's were going.
5 Posey ran a couple of lazy routes that gave the defender a chance to be in better position.(Pryor still threw the ball to him though, so also a bad decision)

The last play of the final drive Pryor made a good decision from what you could see to not throw the ball and run to open field.(couldn't see the routes deep)

The 2 minute drill was started with option plays to calm Pryor and get him in a rhythm of playing ball. He did throw one low ball to Ballard and was hit while throwing once. The deep throw seemed to be just a heave at first but the defender didn't turn around once and Posey did a great job to not allow the defender to read his eyes until it was too late. Solid drive maybe a C+ or B-.

End of 3rd quarter
1st down- looked like a incorrect set up on the TE cross block. Had Adams trying to block 2 guys. (Maybe should have motioned Ballard to the other side?)
2nd- Good hard run from Saine.
3rd- nothing open Pryor ran for first(with pile push assistance)

Then saw two plays with new wrinkles. Sanz made a move to the flats to get Pryor a high percentage throw on a rollout. Then the counter from the spread option look to Saine for big yardage. Couple of hard runs, then tried another rollout that Schofield made a great read on. Tress seemed to shut it down after the FG. Last drive was all runs from the I.

Purdue should be a good team to work on the fundamentals and get back where they need to be. The skill is there at every position it's just a matter of execution. I know that I panicked at first and got all pissy but I know this offense has the ability to play with anyone when they're doing things the right way. They can run the ball, Terrelle can keep them honest and they've had the occasional big play here and there. The defense will keep them in every game, they just need to get back to basics and keep the mental errors to a minimum.

 

[cbrian815]

Purdue should be a good team to work on the fundamentals and get back where they need to be. The skill is there at every position it's just a matter of execution. I know that I panicked at first and got all [censored]y but I know this offense has the ability to play with anyone when they're doing things the right way. They can run the ball, Terrelle can keep them honest and they've had the occasional big play here and there. The defense will keep them in every game, they just need to get back to basics and keep the mental errors to a minimum.

Our D is lights out this year....but Purdue without all the turnovers has a much different record. They have the leading passer in the Big10 and a senior laden team. I hope we win by 50 but this game could be tight. I hope TP and the O coaching staff really turn the corner against Purdue and dont look back. Go Bucks