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2009 tOSU Offense Discussion

It's still early, but I worry about our tackles next season. I just hope that we can develop a tackle next year, one who will develop a nasty streak. I look forward to the year that the Bucks have the offensive line--one that stuck their chests out--that took over a game, once again. :wink2:
 
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Ohio State Football: Terrelle Pryor and rest of rushing game to attack edges more
by Doug Lesmerises/Plain Dealer Reporter
Thursday April 09, 2009

COLUMBUS -- Beanie Wells was best at going straight ahead, so that's the way the recent Ohio State run game went often and went effectively. With Dan Herron, Brandon Saine and quarterback Terrelle Pryor the current players in the Buckeyes' ground game, the OSU rushing plan should be a little more side-to-side and little more on the edge.

"Beanie's strength was not changing direction, and Dan Herron's strength maybe is changing direction," Ohio State running backs coach Dick Tressel said after Thursday's sixth practice of the spring. "So maybe you do some counter kind of things, you do some start one way and go another kind of things.

"With Beanie, you wanted to get him going one way and hope that somebody could just get an arm in there and not a whole body, because he would run through an arm. And now you've got to hope an offensive line and a fullback are giving you a little more space and getting a little less arm on you. Dan Herron can run through an arm, but maybe not a shoulder. Beanie could run through a shoulder."

At the start of spring practice, head coach Jim Tressel said the offense might be less diverse because last year required a dose of Wells in the I-formation as well as getting Pryor in the shotgun and letting him get to the edge.

If something has to give in the run game this season, it would stand to reason it might be the I. But asked if the I-formation was dead, Dick Tressel said, "I don't think the I will ever die or Woody will rise up and get after us."

And then Tressel reinforced the impression that the Buckeyes will never turn the majority of the run game over to the spread option or something like it, even with a talent like Pryor at quarterback.

"The evolution of this quarterback off the line of scrimmage kind of football, where backs are running laterally and they're reading things, and [the quarterback is figuring out] when to give it to him and when not to, the defenses have caught up to that, bottom line," Dick Tressel said. "They know where you're going just like that."

Ohio State Football: Terrelle Pryor and rest of rushing game to attack edges more - Ohio State Buckeyes Football & Basketball News - cleveland.com
 
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I would love to see us use Stoney and Ballard. I think we can throw USC off alot on defense if we come out in the first half and throw to the TE's. They would not have any film on this because we rarely use our TE's.

I think it would also give TP a safety net and would be an asset to our short yardage passing game. I think this would give our offense a spark.

I would like to here someone with more offensive knowledge than myself on both TE's running a pattern at the same time. I know Wisconsin did last year with their 2 TE's. Thanks in advance!!!
 
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As demonstrated in all of the Buckeye losses over the last three years, it's hard to throw to a TE when your interior OL can't block speed rushers. Until the OL blocking scheme is fixed there won't be much variety in the passing game.
 
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brutus2002;1447200; said:
I would love to see us use Stoney and Ballard. I think we can throw USC off alot on defense if we come out in the first half and throw to the TE's. They would not have any film on this because we rarely use our TE's.

I think it would also give TP a safety net and would be an asset to our short yardage passing game. I think this would give our offense a spark.

I would like to here someone with more offensive knowledge than myself on both TE's running a pattern at the same time. I know Wisconsin did last year with their 2 TE's. Thanks in advance!!!

I don't know how much football knowledge I have relative to anyone else; but I'll gladly offer my opinion.

As for throwing to the TE's, the one thing I'd want to defend that is a safety like Taylor Mays. USC doesn't have a safety like Taylor Mays, they have the genuine article.

As for having multiple tight-ends in patterns; that's not a bad call as Mays can only cover one of them. Last year, USC would've had Mays on the deep pattern and Maualuga on the short one. That was a recipe for getting someone hurt. This year it will still be tough, but at least Maualuga's gone.

There's also the possibility of running both Tight-Ends deep. Mays can only cover one of them. That leaves you with a tight end on (probably) a corner deep and a wide-receiver on a linebacker (or the other safety) on a crossing route underneath. Against most teams those can be good match-ups, but it's hard to get a mismatch against a squad full of 5 star athletes.
 
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USC lost its top 4 linebackers...I know they recruit well but damn thats alot to replace. The will not be as good on defense when we face them this year...IMO very good but not great. Mays is a big hitter but gets out of position alot because he goes for the big shot all the time(THATS WHY HE DIDN'T DECLARE FOR THE DRAFT). We need to exploit that. PSU exploited that in the 2nd half of the RB.
 
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USC ran a lot of Cover 1 lat season with Mays deep and Ellison up in the box to play to both player's strengths. Given that they are losing Moore, Moala, Maualuga, Cushing, Maiava, Matthews, Harris, and Ellison, it is possible that they could put more in the box to try to offset the massive loss of front seven experience, which could make intermediate routes with the tight ends rather effective. That said, I don't think Pete Carroll really thinks like that. USC always puts out a winning product (in general) and I don't think Carroll would need to make them one-dimensional on defense with all the talent he has at his disposal.
 
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A look at the offense at the end of spring practice.

Ozone

Spring Wrapup - The Offense
By John Porentas

Spring practice 2009 has come and gone. Now it's time to figure out what we've learned. The approach will be first a position by position by position look at the personnel battles at key positions, and finally an overview of what the OSU offense and defense might look like next fall.

With 31 players gone from last year's roster, this spring was not one of fine tuning and honing the skills of veteran players, but one of experimentation and evaluation of new faces. That process got a good start this spring, but is not finished. The OSU coaching staff will probably focus on evaluation all the way up through the jersey scrimmage next fall, and it's likely there will be some changes in the two-deep and offensive and defensive game plans between the end spring football and the first game of the season. With that in mind, here's where we think the Buckeyes left off this spring.

Cont'd ...​
 
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CFN's 2009 OSU preview by Fiutak. Do yourself a favor and skip the first 3-4 paragraphs recounting OSU's public perception after the '07 Fiesta.

What to watch for on offense:The line. While the overall production wasn't bad, when push came to shove, last year's line got shoved. It got ripped apart this spring by the defensive line, but the OSU front four will probably be dominant against everyone. With three good starters returning, led by center Michael Brewster, and with the addition of former Michigan Wolverine, Justin Boren, to bring more of an attitude and a nastiness to the offensive front, the line should be better and should allow all the speedy skill players time and room to work.

What to watch for on defense:The rotation on the end. The pass rush was supposed to be unstoppable, even after losing Vernon Gholston, but it was only above average
. This year, there are too many ends to get on the field at the same time. Thaddeus Gibson is a star who could grow into an All-America-caliber pass rusher, while Cameron Heyward is productive inside and out. Nathan Williams and Lawrence Wilson are just a few of the great options who'll be a part of the rotation. With good tackles in Doug Worthington and Dexter Larimore to eat things up on the inside, the ends should be free to blow into the backfield.

The team will be far better if ?the line gives Pryor more time. The Buckeye front five struggled in pass protection giving up 29 sacks on the year. While many came when Todd Boeckman, hardly a mobile option, was under center, it didn't do enough when Pryor took over, either. The coaching staff will play around with the tackles with Mike Adams getting the first look on the left side, while veteran Jim Cordle getting a shot at the right after starting most of last year at guard. Andrew Miller is a promising prospect who'll be a part of the equation. If Pryor gets time, the speedy receivers should be able to work deeper and the offense should be more balanced.

The Schedule: The last thing a team with new starting linebackers needs is to deal with Navy in the opener, and worse yet, everyone will be looking ahead to the showdown against USC. If the Buckeyes can pull off the win that could redefine and turn around the program, it should be smooth sailing until November when the trip to Penn State could turn out to be for the Big Ten title. The other three Big Ten road games are against Indiana, Purdue and Michigan; the three duds of last year. There aren't two road games in a row and playing USC is offset by non-conference dates against Toledo and New Mexico State. While OSU might still be the top dog in the conference, missing Michigan State is a major bonus. Not playing Northwestern isn't a positive.
Best Offensive Player: Sophomore QB Terrelle Pryor. He worked so much on his passing this offseason that he suffered tendonitis in his throwing arm. He's fine, and so are the legs that should make him a threat to 1,000 yards now that he'll be the pillar-to-post full-time starter. For the next three years, Pryor is the face of the franchise and the type of talent who can make a team of ultra-athletic playmakers better. Now the gloves will come off and he'll be able to throw the ball deeper to open things up a bit. If he's on as a passer, the offense will be devastating.

Best Defensive Player: Junior DE Thaddeus Gibson. The defense is full of very good, very sound players who won't come up with too much flash, but will make routine play after routine play. Gibson is the exception as the speed rusher who led the team in sacks last season and should dominate this year with a a good enough rest of the line to take the pressure off. While he's built like an outside linebacker, and will likely play there in the pros, he's tough enough to handle himself well on the end.

Key player to a successful season: Senior CB Andre Amos. Chimdi Chekwa is an all-conference caliber corner on one side, but Amos, Devon Torrence, or Travis Howard must take over on the other in place of Malcolm Jenkins. The safeties, Kurt Coleman and Anderson Russell, are decent veterans, but they're not elite playmakers against the pass, especially Russell. Amos is a 6-1, 183-pound talent who has the skills to be a shut-down corner, especially on a No. 2 receiver, but he has bad knees.
The season will be a success if ... the Buckeyes win a BCS game. They might not be good enough to be a USC team that's reloading, but still tremendous, but they can still be the star of the Big Ten and get to the Rose Bowl for the first time in the Jim Tressel era. Winning the Big Ten with a team that has to patch so many holes would be nice, but getting the bitter BCS taste out of the program's mouth would be truly sweet ... especially if it's against the Trojans.
Key game: Nov. 7 at Penn State. On a national scale, the home date is the most important game of the 2009 season outside of Oklahoma vs. Texas. It's gut-check time for each program with Ohio State needing a big win, especially on its own turf, to reestablish its national street cred and to make a statement in the national title chase. But beating Penn State in Happy Valley is more important for the more realistic goals of winning the Big Ten and getting to the Rose Bowl. Last year's 13-6 Nittany Lion win was a classic, and this year's battle should be for the Big Ten championship.
2008 Fun Stats:
- First quarter scoring: Ohio State 97 - Opponents 24
- Fourth down conversions: Opponents 11-of-18 (61%) - Ohio State 4-of-9 (44%)
- Rushing touchdowns over the last two years: Ohio State 42 - Opponents 10

Scout.com: NEW ... 2009 CFN Ohio State Preview

Note to mods: I posted here because I couldn't find a general team discussion thread for '09 (if one exists). If there's a better thread for this, please move this post, and perhaps delete this note.
 
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It's time for "Boom and Zoom" to take over

Two years ago, coach Jim Tressel thought enough of freshmen running backs Dan Herron and Brandon Saine to dub them the nicknames "Boom and Zoom". With sophomore Chris "Beanie" Wells on his way to an All-American season and junior Maurice Wells backing him up, the premier of the "Boom and Zoom" show would have to be delayed a few seasons.

Now, after waiting their turn, the debut of the "Boom and Zoom" era will be coming to a Big Ten stadium near you.

Both backs have had to overcome adversity to get to their prominent roles in the OSU offense this fall. Saine ("Zoom") was put into to the shuffle of OSU's running backs in 2007, and added a kick to the Buckeye offense with his speed and catching ability. Since his early success, however, Saine has been mostly in pain, suffering several nagging injuries that forced him into a more limited role in 2008.

Continued...
 
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wadc45;1503097; said:

No offense but this duo, and the the way its being built up by people, reminds me more and more every day of Lydell Ross and Mo Hall. This is starting to feel like 2003 when we were hard at work convincing ourselves we weren't going to drop off that much from Mo C.

Anyone could see a huge talent difference bewteen Beanie and these two just like you could between Mo C and Ross/Hall. Lots of talk about the measurables of the two guys with little talk of their lack of vision which in the end seperates the great backs from the average. I know the party line is that Pryor and a different scheme will do the trick but I just have a hard time buying it.

I see a formula of average at best RB talent + suspect OL + true sophmore QB = big offensive problems (again).

Sorry, not trying to rip on the kids, just calling it as I see it. I think these guys are better than Ross/Hall but thats just the general vibe I'm starting to get.
 
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