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2009 Team Rumblings

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1378102; said:
While this is typically the case, the Big Ten "playing up" I'm not sure that argument really holds this season. To be sure, there was some "playing up" but I don't think it was as "bad" as some years....

Thus far the Big 10 (1-6) has:
  • Played a higher ranked team (nationally) 3 times and is 0-3 in those games (W: L: Georgia (16) over Michigan State (19), USC (5) over Penn State (6), Texas (3) over Ohio State (10))
  • Played a lower ranked team (nationally) 1 time and is 0-1 in that game (W: L: Missouri over Northwestern)
  • Played a opponent who finished higher in their conference 2 times and are 0-2 in those games (W: ; L: Florida State over Wisconsin, Missouri over Northwestern)
  • Played an opponent who finished lower in their conference 2 times and are 0-2 in those games (W: L: Kansas over Minnesota, Texas over Ohio State)
  • Played an opponent who had an equal rating in their conference 3 times, and are 1-2 in those games (W: Iowa over South Carolina; L: Georgia over Michigan State, USC over Penn State)
The higher ranked teams nationally weren't extreme cases (the largest being Ohio State v. Texas) and the conference only played out of position in terms of conference standings in two games. In fact, 3 times, it was equal rating in terms of conference rank.
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You can get numbers to say anything. Do you think the Big 10 is better than 1-6 in bowl games if Oregon St beats Oregon and goes to the Rose bowl?
 
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Colt 90% of the time was throwing right at Chekwa, knowing that Chimdi doesn't have the ball skills necessary to stop the passes over the top, nor the agility to stop the slant.
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Chekwa is a great corner, and its pretty simple why he was targeted against Texas. Either A) Throw at Jenkins or B) Throw at Chekwa.... I don't know about any of you but I would refuse to throw at Jenkins. Chekwa has been said to perhaps be our best man to man corner. As for lacking the agility to stop the slant?? How many times did Chekwa get beat so bad that the guy was running after the catch? If my memory serves me correctly I remember Chekwa, while being throw at, was making tackles right away. Which tells me he's there to make the play but the throws are just on target by the Quarterback, and when you're playing a QB who's throwing for 75% compeletion rate there's not much more Chekwa can do.

We will be more than fine regaurdless if Dwash stays or not.. If Washington stays you're looking at a top 3 defensive secondary if he doesn't you're looking at a top 10.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1378137; said:
I don't know... probably. But.. then.. wouldn't that just be because the Pac 10 was 'playing up' instead of the big 10 doing so?
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Yes you are correct, but the problem is the Big Ten continues to "play up" but the Pac-10 almost never does. Please delete if this data is too much for the thread but since the start of the BCS in 1998, the Big Ten has had two representatives 8 times while just 1 time for the Pac Ten. I think it does have an impact on league perception because the Pac Ten finished 5-0 this year compared to 1-6 for the Big Ten. If you were to put Oregon State in the Rose Bowl, USC in the Fiesta, and Ohio State in the Capital One, then these records could quite possibly get reversed. But I digress, I guess I hope that the conference can improve as a whole and show better in their bowl games regardless of having to "play up" or not.
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Ahiacitian, that's why I said normally I'd agree with you... just that it didn't necessarily play out that way this year.

Of course if things were different, the results would also be different. I'm just saying that the Big 10 didn't play "off kilter" this season. Fact is, the Big 10 just didn't do well. It's "down" ... whatever... It's not like that'll be the case from here until the end of the universe. It is what it is, that's all.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1378160; said:
Ahiacitian, that's why I said normally I'd agree with you... just that it didn't necessarily play out that way this year. quote]

I guess we can agree to agree then :biggrin:.

Is it cool to see that of the 8 times the Big Ten has sent two teams to the BCS, Ohio State has been one of the two 7 times! That is a great accomplishment and should not be forgotten even if the team has struggled to get W's the last three years...
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In addition to the impact of having two teams in the BCS, I'd also say the precipitous decline of a usually strong program really hurts the conference. If UM was their "usual" self (9-3, 10-2) instead of the awful team they were this season, teams like MSU and NW would have been just as mediocre, but would have been knocked down a tier in the bowl system. The almost instantaneous collapse hasn't given the other B10 teams time to fill in the gap, so we end up with mediocre teams finishing in the top 3 or 4 of the conference and playing in bowl games they have no business playing in.

Playing the always fun hypothetical game, let's assume for one moment that UM didn't suck this season. Strike that, they always suck. :biggrin: Let's assume they sucked in their usual sucky way instead of this new-fangled spread suck system.

ACTUAL STANDINGS (PRE_BOWL):
Penn State 7-1 (11-1) - Rose Bowl
Ohio State 7-1 (10-2) - Fiesta Bowl
Michigan State 6-2 (9-3) - Capital One Bowl
Iowa 5-3 (8-4) - Outback Bowl
Northwestern 5-3 (9-3) - Alamo Bowl
Wisconsin 3-5 (7-5) - The WhoCares.com Bowl
Minnesota 3-5 (7-5) - The NoSeriously...WhoGivesAShit.com? Bowl
Illinois 3-5 (5-7)
Purdue 2-6 (4-8)
Michigan 2-6 (3-9)
Indiana 1-7 (3-9)

Michigan, as a less-sucky team, beats Utah, Notre Dame, and Toledo OOC. In conference, they still lose to OSU and Penn State. Knowing their issues with mobile QB's, let's say they lose to Illinois, too. But they would usually beat Michigan State, Purdue, and Northwestern. Re-calculating the standings, we get this:

HYPOTHETICAL STANDINGS (PRE_BOWL):
Penn State 7-1 (11-1) - Rose Bowl vs. USC
Ohio State 7-1 (10-2) - Fiesta Bowl vs. UT
Michigan 5-3 (9-3) - Capital One vs. UGA
Michigan State 5-3 (8-4) - Outback vs. USC
Iowa 5-3 (8-4) - Alamo vs. Missouri
Northwestern 4-4 (8-4) - Champs Sports vs. FSU
Wisconsin 3-5 (7-5) - Insight vs. Kansas
Minnesota 3-5 (7-5) - Motor City Bowl vs. MAC
Illinois 3-5 (5-7)
Purdue 1-7 (3-9)
Indiana 1-7 (3-9)

Even with two BCS bids, the B10 would have MUCH better match-ups than they did this season.

Hell, if you add back a good UM team and only give the B10 one BCS bowl, it's even better....

HYPOTHETICAL STANDINGS (PRE_BOWL):
Penn State 7-1 (11-1) - Rose Bowl vs. USC
Ohio State 7-1 (10-2) - Capital One vs. UGA
Michigan 5-3 (9-3) - Outback vs. USC
Michigan State 5-3 (8-4) - Alamo vs. Missouri
Iowa 5-3 (8-4) - ChampsSports vs. FSU
Northwestern 4-4 (8-4) - Insight vs. Kansas
Wisconsin 3-5 (7-5) - Motor City vs. MAC
Minnesota 3-5 (7-5) - CrappyBowls'R'Us.com Bowl
Illinois 3-5 (5-7)
Purdue 1-7 (3-9)
Indiana 1-7 (3-9)

Suddenly, the B10 has a lot of favorable match-ups. The bottom line in this hypothetical.....

The B10 sucked in bowls this year as a result of (in addition to it not being a particularly strong conference this year):
A. Ohio State getting a BCS bid because of it's success and passionate fan base
B. Michigan sucking big, floppy donkey dick

Now who can argue with that?
 
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Mark Schlabach put his early 09 poll up on ESPN today. Bucks were #6, behind: 1 Fla, 2 Texas, 3 Okla, 4 USC, 5 'Bama. Here's what he said about OSU.

6. Ohio State Buckeyes
Much of Ohio State's success in 2009 might be determined by quarterback Terrelle Pryor's development during the offseason. Pryor played remarkably well as a freshman, but he must become a more polished passer for the offense to be truly effective. Pryor's job would have been easier if tailback Chris "Beanie" Wells had returned to school, but he declared for the NFL draft. The Buckeyes lose a lot of star power on defense -- All-American linebacker James Laurinaitis, Thorpe Award winner Malcolm Jenkins and linebacker Marcus Freeman were seniors.
 
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Amos has a lot of talent, but you don't know how much the injuries have slowed him.
Chekwa will be fine.
We will find another starter at corner. (Howard?)
We have more talent than anyone in the Big Ten.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1378089; said:
Hard to say... It seems to me a good problem to have, but I'm thinking Spitler ends up behind Homan in the middle as I think Rolle will get a very long look on the weak side
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Why I agree Homan could move to MLB, I can not see it. He has been at WLB from the start, they moved a 2 year stater to get him on the field this year. I think Rolle, Moeller, Spitler and Sabino will be in the mix for the other 2 spots. In The end Moeller SLB, Spitler or Sabino MLB, and Homan WLB.
 
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