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2009 Polls - Regular and Pre-Season

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t_BuckeyeScott;1564987; said:
I believe we will see an all SEC BCS championship game rematch when it happens. Remember in 06 we weren't talking about the Big 10 being weak, yet, and they still dropped Michigan to avoid the rematch.
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They barely avoided the rematch. Barely.

If it came down to an undefeated #1 UF vs an undefeated #2 Alabama and the game was close I would bet dollars to donuts the loser out polls a 1 loss OSU for the NC game if OSU is the only other 1 loss team. You know damn good and well they will hold our OOC record the past few years against us right, wrong or indifferent.

That's why I don't buy Texas being eliminated with 1 loss. Same scenario above with a 1 loss Texas team as choice C) even though they didn't win the B12 and I think you have Texas in the NC game as the compromise candidate so the pollsters don't have to have a rematch or send OSU to another NC blowout vs the SEC line of thought.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
They barely avoided the rematch. Barely.

If it came down to an undefeated #1 UF vs an undefeated #2 Alabama and the game was close I would bet dollars to donuts the loser out polls a 1 loss OSU for the NC game if OSU is the only other 1 loss team. You know damn good and well they will hold our OOC record the past few years against us right, wrong or indifferent.

That's why I don't buy Texas being eliminated with 1 loss. Same scenario above with a 1 loss Texas team as choice C) even though they didn't win the B12 and I think you have Texas in the NC game as the compromise candidate so the pollsters don't have to have a rematch or send OSU to another NC blowout vs the SEC line of thought.
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I think you sensing way more Ohio State/Big 10 hate than I'm seeing.
 
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Why does everyone think if it is UF and Bama in the SECCG and one of them loses(obviously), let's say Bama, that they will not have a significant drop. I just saw LSU drop 6 spots and only lost to UF by 10 points. Just wondering why everyone thinks they will keep Bama 2.
 
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Jaxbuck;1564989; said:
Yeah you could look at it that way but you'd be doing it wrong (not that you've heard that a lot or anything). :wink2:
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I used to hear that all the time from a woman that kept her blue panties around her ankles.
 
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What you will hear, loud and long, is that the SECCG is the REAL NC game, and damn if I didn't feel the same way in 06 when 1 met 2 in the Shoe.

With ABC and ESPN owning the SEC we are bound to get some self interested promotion of those teams. With NBC, CBS and Fox only tangentially interested in college football and print media on the wane there's not much to counter the bias.
 
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buckeyemania11;1564825; said:
BCS is all that matters since it was started in 1998 IMO

USC can hug and cry to their fake media title all they want, LSU is the national champion in 2003)
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How many Crystal Footballs do you own? USC signed the same contract that made the NCCG the determining factor, now they have to live with it.
 
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(o) IoI /o (o);1565042; said:
Why does everyone think if it is UF and Bama in the SECCG and one of them loses(obviously), let's say Bama, that they will not have a significant drop. I just saw LSU drop 6 spots and only lost to UF by 10 points. Just wondering why everyone thinks they will keep Bama 2.
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Only scoring 3 points at home (vaunted night game worth a touchdown to them, with no significant injuries or other excuse) confimed what many thought about their offense being weak, even though they had managed to come up with a W in their first 5 games...

The argument is the same as 06 after that ending to The Game - that the two best teams were from the same conference. But it would have to be a close SECCG, not a solid win from either.
 
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buckeyemania11;1564825; said:
USC can hug and cry to their fake media title all they want, LSU is the national champion in 2003)
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It's not fake, it's a very real, tangible title, and it comes with a shiny trophy. Ohio State has five of them in their trophy case too.

What do you want USC to do, give the trophy back?
 

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Dryden;1565183; said:
It's not fake, it's a very real, tangible title, and it comes with a shiny trophy. Ohio State has five of them in their trophy case too.

What do you want USC to do, give the trophy back?
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Hmm, the crystal looks very silver there. The point is that when the BCS CG was created those kinds of after-the-bowls controversies lost their validity. The Pac, Big 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC, Big East and even Notre Dame agreed that in order to win the NC you had to win the BCS CG.

The five OSU trophies to which you refer supersede the BCS CG and thus can be counted.
 
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cincibuck;1565194; said:
Hmm, the crystal looks very silver there. The point is that when the BCS CG was created those kinds of after-the-bowls controversies lost their validity. The Pac, Big 10, SEC, Big 12, ACC, Big East and even Notre Dame agreed that in order to win the NC you had to win the BCS CG.

The five OSU trophies to which you refer supersede the BCS CG and thus can be counted.
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No, those controversies don't lose their validity because the selection criteria still depends on polls, even with the BCS. The BCS does three things:

1) Makes a lot of money
2) Provides opportunities for bowl matchups that were not possible pre-BCS because of the Big 10/Pac 10 excluding themselves from the Bowl Alliance/Coalition.
3) Ensures that the winner of the #1 vs #2 game gets all the first place votes in the Coaches Poll.

The purpose of the BCS was not to crown a national champion, it was to engineer #1 vs #2. It does that. Nobody thought about what happened if a lot of people suddenly decided that #3 was the best team after all the games were over.

I hope everybody who claims that AP titles don't mean anything any longer are still around the next time there is a split.

Let us suppose Florida beats Bama in a close SEC title game and they are given a rematch, where Bama returns the favor and beats UF. Meanwhile, the light goes on for Pryor and the offense and OSU absolutely demolishes USC in the Rose.

The AP votes Ohio State #1.

Everybody here is going to dismiss the title when it's yours to celebrate?
 
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Dryden;1565204; said:
No, those controversies don't lose their validity because the selection criteria still depends on polls, even with the BCS. The BCS does three things:
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It's not a fucking controversy. It's a contract. USC agreed by virtue of its participation in the BCS system that it would honor the BCSCG winner as having won the "National Title". Having those asswipes* call the AP the National Title is a joke and an admission that its contractural word means squat.

They won the AP title. Kudos. It is not a "national title" , anymore than my pick of USC - the Gatorubet Poll/Title - would have conferred The National Title on a USC Team that was not in the BCSCG.

Otherwise Auburn has a National Title too. They don't, no matter how much Tubberville paid to have rings made.

* not meant to = USC or our fine mods or fans of that fine institution - unless they hold to the threepeat logic, in which case it is only applicable to those who do not have the power to ban me :paranoid:
 
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