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2009 NFL Draft (Mocks, Evaluation, etc.)

3074326;1343034; said:
I was on the verge of making this same thread a few weeks ago, I love the draft. Especially when many Buckeyes are going to be in it.

That draft is quite a bit different than many others I've seen. I see Maualuga going as the #1 LB. JL is probably in the right place, but I could definitely see him going higher. I don't think he falls beyond wherever Denver picks.

No way Beanie falls that far. I've watched Knowshon Moreno this year, and there is no [censored]ing way that he goes ahead of Beanie. Beanie is better in every way. Moreno is a fantastic back, but he's no Beanie.

I'm not sure I think Stafford is #1 material.. he's made some awful decisions this year, and looked pretty average a handful of times. But I'm not a talent scout, so..

Stafford would probably have to blow up in bowl game against Michigan State (or Ohio State) to be #1. There's new guys in Detroit, so maybe they should just go conservative and get an offensive lineman.

That, or they could just go grab Michael Crabtree for old time's sake.
 
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] [/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica] DT Terrance Taylor, Michigan: Like Mitchell, Taylor flashed at times. But overall he was slow to get off blocks from solid, but not dominating, East centers. The defensive line coaches were constantly getting on Taylor to get past his man into the backfield. Occasionally he would use his strength to fill a gap, but most times he was stuck to his block like Velcro. [/FONT]
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Brian Hoyer(Michigan State) also had a good cadence and had the best zip on his fastball of any East QB. He doesn’t seem to have a huge deep arm ball, but he displayed great arm strength on short and intermediate passes. Hoyer failed to anticipate his receiver’s routes or was consistently inaccurate, because his passes were often behind his target.
Tyrell Sutton(Northwestern) gave us a good dose of the hard charging style that made him very productive in the physical Big Ten Conference. Sutton also had great hands as a receiver (as expected) and seemed to have the quickest feet of the East RBs. His game had the precision and top effort of an NFL player, and he definitely has the look of a player who will stick on an NFL roster despite preconceived notions about short running backs. He’s not as explosive as a Sproles or Jones-Drew, but he’s dependable and multi-talented.
Deon Butler(Penn State) was by far the most sudden and explosive player on the East roster. Most of the time the defensive back was reacting to Butler’s break after Butler had already made at least one step out of it. He plays very fast and quick, but still very much under control. Butler is also clearly a natural hands catcher, as evidenced by the ball making the soft “thwip” every time he caught it. Good deep ball tracking, sideline awareness (getting both feet in on an out pattern), and the ability to adjust to errant passes rounded out the skills shown by the most outstanding player in Monday East practice. Butler seems to be on a different level than most of his East teammates – he probably belongs in the Senior Bowl. Greg Orton(Purdue) first the bad – he lets the ball get into his body. If the ball was over his head, he couldn’t get after it, he isn’t sudden, and he takes a while to get to top speed. Now the good – he caught nearly every comeback route pass thrown at him, Orton naturally got his body between the defender and the ball in flight, he’s a willing blocker, and although not bulky at 6’3” 200, he’s toned.
Alex Boone(OT-Ohio State) stayed at left tackle and won most of his battles against old rival Matt Shaughnessy from Wisconsin.

Seth Olsen(OG-Iowa) displayed great fight and technique in the pit.
Bradley Fletcher(DB-Iowa) recorded a terrific interception when he got inside position on Aaron Kelly on a deep jumpball.
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Brian Hoyer(Michigan State) showed off a good pump fake on multiple occasions and was also effective outside of the pocket. Hoyer also put nice touch on his post routes and decisively checked down when nothing was there in 7 on 7s. For the second straight day, Hoyer was the best QB of the East trio.
Tyrell Sutton(Northwestern) drew a call of “great hands great hands” from his coach when he scooped a low pass on the run. Sutton is clearly the most polished receiver of the RBs in this game. Sutton’s feet were also impressive - he instinctively got through the trash at the line of scrimmage. Sutton’s legs never stop churning, and he also knows when to just put his head down and take what’s there. He also had a heady play when Johnny Williams bobbled an interception and Sutton plucked it out of the air on the run, breaking a big play in 11 on 11s. He froze Matt Shaughnessy with a stop-start that drew oohs and aahs at the end of practice. Sutton also fielded punts, and he was singled out by Bobby Ross for his performance in a post-practice interview.
Deon Butler(Penn State) showed day one was not a fluke. He was aware of making sure he was the sixth man on the line of scrimmage even though the practices aren’t officiated, and he also proved to be a willing and effective blocker on multiple occasions. Butler’s body control in and out of his breaks and sideline awareness were excellent yet again. Butler had one of the plays of the day, one handing a deep ball away from Bradley Fletcher for a touchdown. Much like when he was blocking, Butler showed great hunger on this play, transcending his small 5’10” 168 frame. Butler also continued to create separation with alarming ease, even on short and intermediate routes. Greg Orton(Purdue) still fought the ball and let it get to his body too often. He doesn’t look sudden in and out of his breaks, and the East corners are beginning to sit on his routes. He did look like a natural on hook routes, getting between the defender and ball in flight, but WRs who can do that in the NFL are a penny a dozen.
Alex Boone(OT-Ohio State) was matched against old rival Matt Shaughnessy from Wisconsin most of the time and kept him at bay with solid footwork.
Bradley Fletcher(DB-Iowa) again showed great recovery speed and aggressiveness breaking up passes. He blanketed Greg Orton more than once and seems to have emerged as the best of the East corners.
 
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Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State. He looked smooth and professional running routes -- he clearly has been coached well. He showed excellent hands, caught passes with defenders climbing over his back.
Kory Sheets, RB, Purdue. He looked quick and athletic, making sharp cuts and showing a good burst out of cuts to get through holes.
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State. Williams had an up and down day, but not so much inconsistent as he was terrible when he fielded punts. However, he looked great as a receiver. He did not look comfortable fielding punts -- he didn't get under the ball and allowed the ball to play him, leading to two muffs on three attempts. As a receiver, he made good adjustments to make tough catches. He consistently reached away from his body and pulled in off-target passes. He really looked good laying out and catching one well overthrown pass.
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Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State: He had an excellent day Tuesday, the best of any receiver. He ran excellent routes; knows how to set up defenders, uses hands and body well to create space and consistently got open. Very smart receiver who clearly had learned from good coaching. He did an excellent job of catching the ball; made some highlight catches and consistently caught ball with a defender trying to come over his back to break up the pass. He still showed limited explosiveness and speed to get separation from defender.
Kory Sheets, RB, Purdue: Showed good vision and instincts running with the ball and the foot quickness to make sharp cuts. Struggled holding ground against linebackers in pass protection and was defeated too easily.
Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State: He looked very smooth and fluid in and out of cuts and breaks. He caught the ball very cleanly as receiver, but still struggled fielding punts.
Cullen Harper, Darius Butler look strong at Senior Bowl practice - NFL - SI.com - See link for details
Risers

BJ Raji/DT/BC | Shawn Nelson/TE/S Miss| Cullen Harper/QB/Clem | Darius Butler/CB/Conn | Rashad Jennings/RB/Liberty | Mike Thomas/WR/Ariz | Ashlee Palmer/LB/Miss

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Rey Maualuga/LB/USC: Maualuga looked rusty today, both physically and mentally. He's not in the best of shape and was very hesitant to make decisions on the field. Maualuga seemed to get his bearings as the day proceeded, but his play was not reminiscent of a potential top-five pick.
Pat White/QB/West Virginia: Scouts wanted to give White a chance to prove he can play quarterback at the next level, but the early returns have not been positive. White struggled throwing the ball. White was not accurate, could not drive deep passes even though he was throwing with the wind; and at this point, he looks like a college signal caller who may be better off at a different position in the NFL.
Graham Harrell/QB/Texas Tech: ...
William Moore/S/Missouri: ...
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Derrick Williams/WR/Penn State: Williams' vaunted athleticism was on display as he established himself as the best receiver on the field. Williams displayed speed, effective route-running skills and reliable hands. He beat defenders for the deep reception or physically beat them down to make the underneath reception. There's no doubt scouts were excited by Williams, who showed signs of pulling it all togher.
Alex Magee/DT/Purdue: Magee was a late arrival to the Senior Bowl after a communications mishap but made up for lost time Tuesday. The Purdue product was impossible to block and consistently got penetration behind the line of scrimmage, beating blockers with quickness as well as power.
Trevor Canfield/OG/Cincinnati: Canfield has a reputation for being a nasty, fierce competitor and he showed why Tuesday. The former Bearcat starter was dominant at the point and handled almost everyone he faced. He's not only strong but also mean; he never let up. More than once he continued to play after the whistle, getting an extra shove in after the play had ended.
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DeAngelo Smith/CB/Cincinnati: Smith possesses the athleticism to play at the next level but was very hesitant and unsure of himself Tuesday. He consistently lost a half step to opponents off the line of scrimmage and gave up several long receptions and an even larger number of underneath routes.

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Mayock's top prospects at each position

Notable: #1 RB Beanie | #5 RB Green | #4 TE Beckum | #4 C Shipley | #3 G Urbik | #4 DE Maybin (OLB) | #2 ILB Laur (Rey #1) | #5 OLB Freeman | #1 CB Jenkins | #2 Davis

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Scout.com: Pick Six: Senior Bowl Notebook
Ohio State wide receiver Brian Robiskie knows how important this week is to the draft process as he prepares for Saturday's game. And if you ask him what he wants to show the scouts from the various NFL teams who have gathered in Mobile this week, he'll tell you that it boils down to one significant point. "I think the biggest thing for a receiver is just getting open," he explained. "No matter how you do it, I think they just want to see you get open. So I think that one way or another, if I'm finding ways to get open, catch the ball and make plays, that's what's going to get everyone's attention."
Robiskie, who's father Terry is the wide receivers coach for the Atlanta Falcons, said he enjoys watching Roddy White and Michael Jenkins each week. But he also has some other favorite receivers around the league who he watches to help improve his game.
"Larry Fitzgerald is another one who is having a great postseason. They just made it to the Super Bowl, so he's doing a lot for that team," Robiskie said. "There's a long list, Terrell Owens — what he does on the field — there are a number of guys I watch and just try to take a little bit from everybody. But I definitely enjoy watching the game and studying other receivers."
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Another interesting player is Iowa defensive tackle Mitch King. Over the years many have questioned whether this player was legit but King answered the call this week, displaying excellent leverage, hand play and motor in drills. King's probably not going to be considered a top athlete in terms of pre-draft grades, but he's a football player through and through. In the right situation, King could be a contributor for years.
Of all the wide receivers Penn State's Derrick Williams looked the most impressive today. He got off the line of scrimmage real quick and showed terrific acceleration. He was also quick out of his breaks and got good separation. He just looked like the best receiver out there. Williams did muff a punt and the ensuing scene looked like something straight out of "Football Follies" as he crashed into another player at one point while trying to pick the ball up.
Purdue RB Kory Sheets had trouble turning the corner and was strung out to the sideline by Ohio St. LB Marcus Freeman. That was probably more of a plus for Freeman than a negative for Sheets though.
Ohio St. WR Brian Robiskie catches the ball well with his hands but didn't look very fast.
A player that looked good in stalemating Hood however was Wisconsin lineman Kraig Urbik. He's stout, smart, has good balance, plays with a low center of gravity and keeps his man in front of him. Urbik has been used by the coaches at both right tackle and right guard and will be able to reliably fill both roles at the next level.
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Mobile, Ala. - Cincinnati Bengals assistant head coach Paul Alexander lamented Thursday that he was given more tackles than guards to fill out his offensive line for the North team at college football's annual Senior Bowl.
But he was sure glad one of his guards, Kraig Urbik, was from the University of Wisconsin.
"They're so well-coached," Alexander said. "They've long been the best-coached linemen in the country."
That's a big reason why Urbik is one of the top-rated guards in the current draft class. The feeling among coaches and scouts at the Senior Bowl is that Urbik is probably the closest to being ready to play in the National Football League among the offensive linemen.
"He's not the type of guy where it's going to take him a long time to learn the game. It's not," Alexander said. "He's going to get as good as he's going to be pretty quickly early in his career because he really has a natural aptitude for it. And his fundamentals are sound."
Jim Hueber, who tutored Badgers linemen from 1995-2005 before joining the Minnesota Vikings, was one of the most respected line coaches on the collegiate level. Bob Bostad has continued to teach many of the same concepts.
"I've been taught pretty consistently in my five years at Wisconsin," said Urbik, a native of Hudson, Wis. "A lot of Wisconsin linemen are taught very basic things that help them out through their whole career and make them good players."
Defensive tackles, potential outside linebackers gaining attention
Pat White, the West Virginia quarterback who measured just under 6 foot, has been labeled an "athlete", which translates into wide receiver/kick returner in the Antwaan Randle El mold. But White is turning some heads with his passing skills.
I talked with White on Tuesday, after a swirling wind led to a tough practice for all the quarterbacks. He has a quiet confidence about his throwing, and he just wants to help a team any way he can. He might be the best athlete on the Senior Bowl field.
People will say White was never under center at West Virginia, but he had no trouble with the center exchange in practice and told me he worked on it every day in college, even though the Mountaineers rarely used it in games. White has a better arm than Ravens backup QB Troy Smith when he came out of Ohio State and must be closely looked at in the months leading up to the draft.
Other players to watch

The guy I'm really interested in seeing at outside linebacker is Connor Barwin from Cincinnati. He's one of four players who caught my eye the first day here, and he continues to pique my curiosity each day.
Early in the week, Barwin worked at tight end -- his designated position on the Senior Bowl roster -- but he also rushed the passer in college and was productive. Not only can Barwin line up on either side of the ball, he also played college basketball. Combine that athletic ability with everything he learned about releasing on routes in football, understanding coverages in front of him and his Big East Conference-leading 11 sacks as a senior, and he might be the perfect 3-4 outside linebacker.
 
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From Scout's article:

Oklahoma WR Juaquin Iglesias ran smooth, crisp routes and flashed strong hands during 11-on-11 drills. He was impressive in the intermediate game and displayed the ability to get vertical when he hauled in a 40-yard Graham Harrell pass down the left sideline over Michigan’s Morgan Trent.

Why state the obvious? They should have just said: "Juaquin successfully tied his shoes this morning."
 
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Oklahoma WR Juaquin Iglesias ran smooth, crisp routes and flashed strong hands during 11-on-11 drills. He was impressive in the intermediate game and displayed the ability to get vertical when he hauled in a 40-yard Graham Harrell pass down the left sideline over Michigan?s Morgan :slappy: Trent.
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jwinslow;1388983; said:
Defensive tackles, potential outside linebackers gaining attention

[Pat] White has a better arm than Ravens backup QB Troy Smith when he came out of Ohio State

:rofl: I've never heard this, nor seen proof of it.

SI went as far to say:
White struggled throwing the ball. White was not accurate, could not drive deep passes even though he was throwing with the wind; and at this point, he looks like a college signal caller who may be better off at a different position in the NFL.

Peoples' opinions are amazing.
 
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Pat White, QB, West VirginiaIt's hard to ignore the talent Pat White has as a quarterback, because when he has the ball in his hands, something good is about to happen. The Senior Bowl was White's opportunity to show NFL scouts that he has the talent to be a signalcaller at the next level.
But the consensus I got in Mobile was that he's never going to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. With many teams installing a variation of the Wildcat formation, a player of White's ability becomes more valuable. White showed tremendous athleticism in practice and displayed the ability to escape the pocket and make throws on the run. Of the three South quarterbacks, White was the most accurate and fluid during practice. White took what he showed in practice and thrived in the game, as he led the South on two scoring drives: one that started on the South's own 32-yard line and ultimately ended with LSU FB Quinn Johnson scoring a touchdown from one-yard out, and the other coming on a beautifully thrown 39-yard touchdown strike down the left sideline to Ole Miss WR Mike Wallace. White completed 4-of-9 passes for 69 yards and a touchdown, and had three carries for 39 yards.
He was named the game's MVP. White impressed a lot of scouts in Mobile, and although he probably won't be a QB at the next level, don't be surprised if he's a late second-round pick this April.
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Brian Robiskie, WR, Ohio State. Robiskie did not move up much in draft status, but he showed why he will have a long career in the NFL. Teams had been concerned about his lack of burst, but he offset that by running great routes and showing outstanding fundamentals and hands. Projection: Rose from a fourth- or fifth-round pick to a third-/fourth-round prospect.
Linemen?rule roost at Senior Bowl - NFL - SI.com
Pat White was listed as one of our biggest sliders of Senior Bowl week on Friday because of his poor showing in practice. The West Virginia quarterback is having the last laugh. White was named MVP after directing two scoring drives and passing for 95 yards with one score, as he led the South to victory. NFL teams now have a decision to make: Do they forget what they saw in practice and just brand White as a gamer who lights it up once the ball is kicked off? Or are they unimpressed because the rules of the Senior Bowl game (no blitzing, no press coverage) lend a helping hand to quarterbacks? This story will continue at the NFL Combine.
• Iowa defensive lineman Mitch King did not pass the eyeball test when he measured in at just 6-feet, 1? inches and 275 pounds on Monday; but don't let that fool you. King proved on Saturday he's a real good football player. He made plays behind the line of scrimmage, in the box and on special teams. King is reminiscent of several former Hawkeye defensive linemen, such as Jonathan Babineaux and Aaron Kampman; prospects who were considered too small and too slow to play in the NFL ... yet late-round picks who went on to have long and prosperous careers at the next level.
• Cincinnati cornerback DeAngelo Smith continued to give up a large number of receptions in the game last night, just as he did earlier in the week. Smith played soft coverage and ended up surrendering a 39-yard touchdown reception to Mississippi receiver Mike Wallace, who ran past him down the sidelines. There's concern Smith will struggle at cornerback and may ultimately move into safety because of his poor coverage skills.
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Big Ten receivers
Brian Robiskie and Derrick Williams separated themselves for different reasons in Mobile. Robiskie, another legacy in Mobile (son of Atlanta Falcons assistant Terry), proved to be the week's most-polished pass catcher while few could keep up with Williams' elite speed and solid hands.
West Virginia QB Pat White
He might have been the MVP of the Senior Bowl as purely a quarterback, but his decision to stick at just one spot might have cost him a ton of money. It isn't that the best running quarterback in college football history (yes, including Tim Tebow) hasn't played well here, he has. White has the arm strength to play in the league. But the scouts were tremendously disappointed that White didn't take any reps at receiver or returner. He may well play QB at the next level (think of him as a poorer-man's version of Seneca Wallace), but he should have displayed the gifts that may make him a richer man's Antwaan Randle El.
Big SEC OL's with big reputations
Michael Oher (of "The Blind Side" fame) and Herman "I Was the Biggest Baby Ever Born in the State of Louisiana (15 pounds, 14 ounces)" Johnson each deflated their prospects a bit. Oher is a dominant run blocker, but has shown less than ideal pass-blocking skills, which is especially troubling at the "blind side" position — left tackle. He's still a first-rounder, but may have a "buyer beware" tag attached. Johnson shocked and awed at the weigh-in (he's 6-7 ?, 382 pounds) but did the opposite in Mobile. Because of his size, coaches and personnel men will want him on the edge, but he hasn't consistently shown the agility to block edge rushers.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch takes an in-depth look at which prospects the St. Louis Rams might target in round one.
*** The Cleveland Plain Dealer looks at several top defensive end and linebacker prospects that might fit in the Cleveland Browns 3-4 scheme.
*** NFLDraftScout.com's recently updated rankings: Top 64 2009 Draft Prospects
NFLDraftScout.com's recently updated rankings: Top 64 2010 Draft Prospects
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Dan Pompei's scout talk from Senior Bowl & East-West Shrine Game
Ohio State's Brian Robiskie's stock continued to climb as he clearly was the best receiver in Mobile, Ala. And Southern California linebacker Brian Cushing probably put some space between himself and Ohio State's James Laurinaitis, who was a no-show.
 
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ProFootballTalk.com - 2009 PRE-COMBINE MOCK DRAFT

:lol: I've edited this post about 9 times. I liked this draft at first (somehow?!?!), but I'm not a big fan any more. Moreno at 6, the Browns taking a DT, two WRs ahead of Crabtree, Alex Mack is too high, etc.
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February 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pm Knowshon Moreno would be a terrible pick for the Bengals at #6.
That being said, you?re probably right on the head with that one.
Go get ?em, Mikey.
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Aaron Curry #1? May have the talent level, but the Lions can get a LB later on.

Maulauga #5? Come on...

Knowshon #16 to Chargers?!?!?!

Donald Brown #21?!?!?!

Clay Matthews goes in the 1st round?!?!?!

Beanie #31, the 3rd RB taken? Ricola. Ridiculous.

And, to cap it all off, the Steelers do not take an O-lineman at #32. Joke.
 
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I did a mock. Not sure how good it is. /waits to be crucified

1. Detroit Lions - Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
2. St. Louis Rams - Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
3. Kansas City Chiefs - Aaron Curry, OLB, Wake Forest
4. Seattle Seahawks - BJ Raji, DT, Boston College
5. Cleveland Browns - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
6. Cincinnati Bengals - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
7. Oakland Raiders - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
9. Green Bay Packers - Malcolm Jenkins, CB/FS, Ohio State
10. San Francisco 49ers - Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
11. Buffalo Bills - Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
12. Denver Broncos - Tyson Jackson, DE, Louisiana State
13. Washington Redskins - Michael Oher, OT, Mississippi
14. New Orleans Saints - Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
15. Houston Texans - Brian Cushing, OLB, Southern Cal
16. San Diego Chargers - Rey Maualuga, ILB, Southern Cal
17. New York Jets - Mark Sanchez, QB, Southern Cal
18. Chicago Bears - Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State
20. Detroit Lions (from Dallas) - Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
22. Minnesota Vikings - Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
23. New England Patriots - Clay Matthews, OLB, Southern Cal
24. Atlanta Falcons - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
25. Miami Dolphins - James Laurinaitis, ILB, Ohio State
26. Baltimore Ravens - Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
27. Indianapolis Colts - Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss
28. Philadelphia Eagles - William Moore, S, Missouri
29. New York Giants - Louis Delmas, S, W. Michigan
30. Tennessee Titans - Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
31. Arizona Cardinals - Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Eben Britton, OT, Arizona
 
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