2008 SEC Discussion

[ORD_Buckeye]

Good balanced article on the rise of the SEC.

What the Rise of Southern Football Says About America - WSJ.com

 

[BUCKYLE]

Good balanced article on the rise of the SEC.

What the Rise of Southern Football Says About America - WSJ.com

While some of the sanctions have been minor, every SEC school but Vanderbilt has been on probation in the last 25 years.
Another charge is that lower academic standards give SEC teams an advantage in recruiting. Just three SEC schools -- Vanderbilt, Florida and Georgia -- were cited among the top 80 universities in U.S. News & World Report's 2009 college rankings, while all 11 members of the Big Ten were in the top 80

Hmmm...

 

[TheIronColonel]

While some of the sanctions have been minor, every SEC school but Vanderbilt has been on probation in the last 25 years.
Another charge is that lower academic standards give SEC teams an advantage in recruiting. Just three SEC schools -- Vanderbilt, Florida and Georgia -- were cited among the top 80 universities in U.S. News & World Report's 2009 college rankings, while all 11 members of the Big Ten were in the top 80

The median household income in Ohio, the poorest state represented by the Big Ten, was $4,500 higher than the average median income for all the SEC states last year.

Stupid, poor, and extremely good at football is no way to go through life.

 

[Gatorubet]

Another charge is that lower academic standards give SEC teams an advantage in recruiting. Just three SEC schools -- Vanderbilt, Florida and Georgia -- were cited among the top 80 universities in U.S. News & World Report's 2009 college rankings, while all 11 members of the Big Ten were in the top 80

Before that stat has any relevance to me, someone is going to have to provide comparison conference admission standards (for their athletes - not U.S. News stats for general admissions), as Big 10 programs continue to go after athletes in Florida that are not potential Rhodes Scholars.

 

[Nutriaitch]

Hmmm...

they must be counting probation periods for all sports.
I don't ever remember LSU's football program being on probation.
The basketball team just came off probation a couple years ago.

 

[billmac91]

Before that stat has any relevance to me, someone is going to have to provide comparison conference admission standards, as Big 10 programs continue to go after athletes in Florida that are not potential Rhodes Scholars.

stop the presses. Gatorubet uses a FSU player in an argument....

not really, but...

every school and conference says it, but at least Ohio State can comfortably say they have some standards. Multiple players have been denied addmission to the University, while being accepted elsewhere.

 

[powerlifter]

they must be counting probation periods for all sports.
I don't ever remember LSU's football program being on probation.
The basketball team just came off probation a couple years ago.

86

 

[Nutriaitch]

86

WOW.
never knew that. googled it, and this is the only thing I found

The National Collegiate Athletic Association said today it put the Louisiana State University football program on a one-year probation without sanctions. The findings of the infractions committee were announced last month by L.S.U..
''The violations found in football were not considered serious in nature,'' Frank J. Remington, chairman of the N.C.A.A. Infractions Committee, said.

This is the entire article, and the only one I could locate.
Anyone here remember or can find a little more info?
Info as in what did LSU do?

 

[powerlifter]

WOW.
never knew that. googled it, and this is the only thing I found



This is the entire article, and the only one I could locate.
Anyone here remember or can find a little more info?
Info as in what did LSU do?

The National Collegiate Athletic Association has placed the Louisiana State University football program on one year's probation for recruiting violations. But L.S.U. will not be forced to sit out any bowl games, lose television revenue or forfeit scholarships, Chancellor James Wharton said today.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A0DE7D8173EF936A3575AC0A960948260

 

[Nutriaitch]

SPORTS NEWS BRIEFS; L.S.U. Football Put on Probation - New York Times

the violations must have worked.
We won the SEC that year

 

[powerlifter]

the violations must have worked.
We won the SEC that year

lol..Positive thinking..Same as personal fouls,and making them count eh?

 

[Gatormaniac]

Well, I was planning on staying out of the emerging regionalist fight, but the other SEC posters put in an appearance, so... (1) It's foolish to rank states by raw median income without considering cost-of-living, state and local tax burdens, and so forth; these have real effects on wages and salaries paid in different regions. (2) The schools vary rather widely. Gatorubet and I certainly have nothing to be ashamed of; among public universities Florida is wedged in between Penn State and Ohio State in the rankings. And when I went to college I remember at least one story of a recruit not being accepted because of poor academics. I presume more simply didn't make the news because poor grades disqualified them in the first place, and another whose marginal grades had the coaches anxiously awaiting their ACT scores. In reading the list of top public colleges, there is a definite trend for schools that are both highly ranked academically and in football to come from large states - Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan - where presumably the local pool of talent is sufficiently huge that the colleges can find people that fit both sets of criteria.

 

[Nutriaitch]

lol..Positive thinking..Same as personal fouls,and making them count eh?

hell yeah.
If you're going to get flagged for roughing the QB, at least make it count!

 

[Zem]

Originally Posted by Mike Slive
SEC commissioner Mike Slive says the SEC has made a point of cleaning up the practices that have led to NCAA sanctions, and that the academic performance of its athletes has improved and all SEC schools are in compliance with the NCAA's new academic guidelines for athletes. Because the SEC's schools are located in a economically challenged region, Mr. Slive says, they serve a different mission -- to provide opportunity. "There are differences in elementary and secondary-school systems in this part of the country," he says.

What does he mean by "provide opportunity", and how do the differences in the school systems relate to their missions? Poorer public school systems produce more academically underachieving student-athletes who still deserve the opportunity to go to college?

 

[Steve19]

And when I went to college I remember at least one story of a recruit not being accepted because of poor academics.

The one in the middle, who failed the "look here test"?

Leavin' kin and comfort to play for Saban?