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crazybuckfan40
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I like it...If they continued to talk us up with a great team and alot returning we could become complacent and just assume that we will beat teams, kinda like what happened in 98, but if they want to keep bashing us and saying that they don't want us to be there it will keep us hungry...
The best thing to see is that the big ten has 5 teams in the top 30 teams and that is without Michigan and Minnesota who are top 40 teams...Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Nortwestern are the bottom 5, but hopefully they can put together solid seasons...
I would say big ten behind SEC and Big XII to start the season...
The best thing to see is that the big ten has 5 teams in the top 30 teams and that is without Michigan and Minnesota who are top 40 teams...Indiana, Purdue, Iowa, Nortwestern are the bottom 5, but hopefully they can put together solid seasons...
I would say big ten behind SEC and Big XII to start the season...
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Without really looking, having the Big XII at or near the front of the pack strikes me as ridiculous. Did they get more teams than Texas and Oklahoma when I wasn't looking? Obviously, I'm aware Kansas did well last year, but for now that's in the "Fluke" category so far as I'm concerned.crazybuckfan40;1140601; said:
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3074326
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1140609; said:
Texas
Oklahoma
Missouri
Kansas
Texas Tech
All are ranked in the poll posted in this thread, and I expect them all to be ranked in all preseason polls. I hate rating conferences (so I'm not going to), but I do think they're better than you think.
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crazybuckfan40
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1140609; said:
Yep as 3074326 posted...
Mizzou returns alot of what they had last year...Kansas returns alot too, but don't look for them to be as good...TTech still has the great offense and hope for a little more D next year...Outside of that I really don't know what they are going to get with Nebraska, KSt, Baylor, etc but that is a very good top 5 that will rival any conference in the country...
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This isn't directed at you, as I know you're just pointing out what the poll said3074326;1140613; said:
Texas - Legit
Oklahoma - Legit (if not over rated continually)
Missouri -
Kansas - FLUKE
Texas Tech - This can't be for real. Call me when they get a defense.
I begrudgingly give Mizzu a fair shake to have a top 15 team, even if their record is inflated by getting to ball in the deperately weak Big XII North. As I mentioned, I can't "believe" in Kansas and I wont until they prove it. Tech is just a joke. Nice offense, and I'll be snagging all their guys for my fantasy team if I can.. real football? Not so much.
I call OU over rated, not because I believe they're not any good, but because I don't believe they belong in the conversation as a top 3 team. I have little doubt the pollsters will, once again, forget the end of last year (at least in OU's case, not OSU's) credit Stoops as some kind of super-coach and hoist him and his Sooners on up to the top tier. Shit, the guy lost to two teams OU was supposed to crush - West Virginia in 08, and Boise fucking State in 07 (After choking away an enormous lead)... can you imagine the Crucifixion Tressel would be taking with THAT track record?
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crazybuckfan40;1140616; said:
I don't see how that - even as you establish it - is 2nd behind the SEC. I mean, you agree with me that Kansas will get the "darling" tag to begin 08, but won't actually be as good as 07. You agree with me that the North is crap (presumably agreeing with me that the winner of that Div. will be "overrated") and you agree with me that Tech would have a better D if you and I waved white towels at the French....
Now, I agree with you that the talking heads will yick yack about the Big XII, bla bla bla. But, in terms of actual strength.... even if these teams are as good as the poll indicates (Which, they're not) the bottom of the Big XII is dreadful.
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That new QB will either be the #1 rated QB prospect from 2005 or the #1 rated QB prospect from 2006.
And if you pay any attention to the recruiting rankings at all, from 2005 thru 2007 USC recruited 25 players who were ranked in the top 5 at their position. OSU grabbed 7 during that same period. They neither rebuild nor reload - they fire from a magazine of infinite capacity.
IMO #2 is too low.
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crazybuckfan40
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1140631; said:
They return most of their team that was not just a media darling last year but a very solid team...Top 20 team this year IMO...
Tech was ranked to finish the season last year and most say they will have a better defense this year...As for the North being overrated two teams in the top 20 that return most of their teams that made for a great late season test last year all return...
I honestly don't konw about the rest of their conference like I said, but I would expect Oklahoma st, colorado, aTm, Nebraska to field some decent teams...Probably on par with the Big ten and Pac-10 in the bottom of the conference...
The thing is Texas, Okie, and Mizzou give the conference three legit top 10 teams to start the season and that is better than every conference besides maybe the SEC and the Big ten could contend with maybe 3 legit top 15 teams, but then you start talking about Kansas and Tech maybe in the top 15...
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I can surely see your point, but I'm sticking with my gut. Fluke. I may be wrong, and hell... it's April... I reserve the right to change my mind.crazybuckfan40;1140662; said:
Last time I heard that the Bucks hung 45 on them. I'll believe it when I see it.
Well, I'll give you Mizzu, but I'm (again) sticking to my guns on Kansas. KSU, Colorado, Nebby.... Iowa State... no thanks. I see these teams as .500 teams, to be honest. Sure, some will be 7-5, or whatever.... but there's no real contender in the bunch. 'Course now that I've said that Nebraska won't suck.
I really don't see any of those teams as being worthy of any honorable mention. I don't know... YOu say OKy St, Colorado, aTm and Nebby and I see Purdue and Iowa... teams that might be able to make a run, before falling completely apart. Nebby a little less so since they used to be legit.... Colorado I'd like to like, but they've been a train wreck for years now.
Disagree. They may end up ranked that way, but I don't see Mizzu top ten. I'll give them knocking on the door, but .. I don't know... maybe - as I said above, I reserve the right to change my mind... they just always seem to fold, and that's what I expect them to do this year. I realize starting the year, as you say, isn't the same as finishing it...
I don't, and wont, start talking about both Kansas and Tech as top 15. I'd be hard pressed to even give you one of them... certainly not both. Again, the polls might well come out as you're talking about. But... in terms of actual strength... eh.... I just don't see it. It's probably more a philosophical thing from my end... I really consider the Big XII over rated top to bottom, and I have for years. Take a look at the Big XII Championship game results since its inception.. you'll see what I mean. It's something like... 9 out of 11 years one of the two teams playing in it is a fucking 4 loss team (or maybe it's 3 losses, whatever.. I've done the research before, but don't want to do it again right now.). Seriously, it's really quite astonishing. (Edit - I should say, that's end of year record (including bowl game))
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1140623; said:
It still astonishes me that OU never gets blasted by the media for they're continuing failure to deliver in Bowl games. Two straight Nat'l Title game failures (one blow out worse than the UF debacle) and back to back BCS losses against teams they should have beat. tOSU gets raked over the coals, and Bobby Stoops gets a fresh pass each spring. It's a joke. Not to mention the relative quick forgiveness of the Bomar fiasco...
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Sportsbuck28
Here comes the BOOM
FWIW, when Tech hired a new DC late in the season I believe they had the best D in the conference statistical wise (Although, with the state of Big XII defenses, that may not be saying much).
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In terms of total yards, Kansas was #1 in the Big XII and 14th in the nation.Sportsbuck28;1140701; said:
Points allowed had Kansas 5th in the nation and 1st in the Big XII
Tech, and I admit I was surprised to see this, was better than Texas in terms of total yards, at 367.1 per (3rd Big XII/51st in the nation) and 5th in points 52nd in the nation.
To put this in some perspective, to be a top 20 D, Tech would have to give up nearly a TD less per game and over 40 yards per game less.
AS Daddy Big Bucks would be quick to point out if he read my feeble attempt here, these numbers hardly paint a strong picture... But.... they, I think, are illustrative of what you mention, "that may not be saying much"
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