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2008 OSU Recruiting

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I think the reason you are seeing such an obsession with Goebel is that a couple of weeks ago his acceptance of an OSU offer seemed imminent. He had a great camp visit with his folks and optimism was running high. Now that it hasn't materialized, and he's taking his family to visit scUM, some folks on the board are getting hyper. (It's the old 'Tress can't close' bugaboo.)

At about the same time, we lost a couple of current DTs due to transfer. That created a perfect storm around the imperative of landing DTs.

I think anyone who believes that landing a DT is more important than landing Terrelle Pryor isn't thinking clearly. Ask them to name Texas' DTs during the Vince Young era and savor their blank stares.
 
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tlinc;883765; said:
I understand there is such a thing as depth and that injuries happen. But, we have 4 very good DTs who are all sophomores are younger. Those guys are both the future and present of the position. My question is not why we would like to get more good DTs. Obviously it would be nice to get 1-2 every single year so that there is good depth. I would like to get Goebel and another DT this year. But, I don't see it as the huge need that seemingly everyone else does.

My question, which you really haven't answered, is why do people make DT seem like a huge, pressing, dire need? Why is it considered to be so crucial when barring injuries a DT recruit likely will not even be able to crack the two deep until 2010? Aren't there positions (DE for example) where the young depth is not as good as it is at DT? Wouldn't TP have a much better chance of being a starter by 2010 than any DT recruit we land?
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We have four DTs who have sky high potential, but I don't see how anyone could call them "very good" when the number of starts the four have combined can be counted on one hand (if they have any at all), and one (Worthington) hasn't even played the position for very long.

I think people see it as such a huge need due to the fact that we have whiffed on several big name DT recruits in recent years. Who knows, maybe they want a DT so badly just to prove that we can land a national big time recruit at the position.

I don't see where you're getting that people think landing a DT is more important than Pryor though. I'm sure if it was in the air that Pryor was days away from committing that anyone else on the board would be on the back burner, but since it's common knowledge that a commitment from Pryor is months away, people are concerned about commits that are presumably right around the corner.
 
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OSU_D/;883701; said:
That is an awesome job. My only change would be taking Mobley off. Given what I have heard from EP folks I think he is going to stay closer to home.

Who would replace him... people involved with certain football programs in MN are the only people I know so I can't guess. I can hope for Wells, Coples, or one of the Thompsons (preferably not the JUCO).
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I would keep Mobley on there. :biggrin:
 
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Buckeye86;883888; said:
We have four DTs who have sky high potential, but I don't see how anyone could call them "very good" when the number of starts the four have combined can be counted on one hand (if they have any at all), and one (Worthington) hasn't even played the position for very long.

I think people see it as such a huge need due to the fact that we have whiffed on several big name DT recruits in recent years. Who knows, maybe they want a DT so badly just to prove that we can land a national big time recruit at the position.

I don't see where you're getting that people think landing a DT is more important than Pryor though. I'm sure if it was in the air that Pryor was days away from committing that anyone else on the board would be on the back burner, but since it's common knowledge that a commitment from Pryor is months away, people are concerned about commits that are presumably right around the corner.
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Fair enough. Though I would argue that Cam Heyward, one of the top 5 players in the state of GA with some outstanding offers was a national DT recruit. As for the stuf about being confused about where I am getting that people would take Goebel over Pryor, there are about 3 pages soworth of posts saying exactly that in this very thread.

And I guess my main point, which perhaps I am not expressing very well, is that the lack of JR and SR DTs has no effect upon Goebel. The guys he will be competing with are the guys who are FR and SO. I would argue that the group of FR and SO defensive tackles that OSU has is one of the top 5-10 groups of FR and SO DTs in the entire country.

After this season, DT will probably be considered a position of strength for the foreseeable future.

Firto Bandito, I do not believe we have lost any DTs recently. I think that is incorrect. We have though lost 2 DEs (Ryan Williams and Scooter Dublin). Which reinforces my point that DE should be considered a higher priority and bigger need in this recruiting class than DT is.
 
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tlinc;884147; said:
Firto Bandito, I do not believe we have lost any DTs recently. I think that is incorrect. We have though lost 2 DEs (Ryan Williams and Scooter Dublin). Which reinforces my point that DE should be considered a higher priority and bigger need in this recruiting class than DT is.
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Juan Garnier was a DT, albeit not a scholarship DT.
 
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BearBuck27;884800; said:
I know Adams and Brewster are (not sure on Shugarts). I think Sweat is thinking about it, and I believe in one of the BN Brewster interviews he says that he thinks Sweat will enroll early.
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I actually think I read that Brewster and Shugarts are pretty sure that they are enrolling early. Adams doesn't think he will be able to, but since he is in town he will still be able to work out with those guys.

Sweat could be a guy who could contribute as a true frosh if he enrolls early and if JL leaves early. We'd really just have Freeman, Homan, Gibson, Spitler, and Rolle as true LBs (also Hines, Moeller and Johnson who may be playing other positions), leaving Sweat with a very good chance to get into the 2 deep right away if he is as advertised.
 
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I'm fairly sure I've heard in the past that a good mixture of recruits is a 60/40 to 70/30 ratio of Ohio to non-Ohio kids. Well, we have that 60/40 ratio right now, with six commits from Ohio and four from out of state. Also, those four out of state commits are from four different states (Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, and Illinois), and they are the cream of the crop in their home states:

Brewster (#1 OT in the country and #2 player in Florida per Rivals)
Goebel (#5 DT in the country and #2 player in Illinois)
Shugarts (#6 OT in the country per Scout)
Sweat (#5/#7 MLB in the country per Scout/Rivals and #7 player in PA per Rivals)

With 7 more ships available, 2-3 OOS kids would fit the ratio. The chances for Jenkins are looking pretty good (#1 player in WV per Rivals and #2 OG in the country per Scout). Getting him and Pryor would make our class flat out sick...
 
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MililaniBuckeye;890219; said:
I'm fairly sure I've heard in the past that a good mixture of recruits is a 60/40 to 70/30 ratio of Ohio to non-Ohio kids. Well, we have that 60/40 ratio right now, with six commits from Ohio and four from out of state. Also, those four out of state commits are from four different states (Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, and Illinois), and they are the cream of the crop in their home states:

Brewster (#1 OT in the country and #2 player in Florida per Rivals)
Goebel (#5 DT in the country and #2 player in Illinois)
Shugarts (#6 OT in the country per Scout)
Sweat (#5/#7 MLB in the country per Scout/Rivals and #7 player in PA per Rivals)

With 7 more ships available, 2-3 OOS kids would fit the ratio. The chances for Jenkins are looking pretty good (#1 player in WV per Rivals and #2 OG in the country per Scout). Getting him and Pryor would make our class flat out sick...
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Every year we get this giddy feeling and allot of times have been a little let down in the end. Not this time. This is "mattaesque"
 
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MililaniBuckeye;890219; said:
I'm fairly sure I've heard in the past that a good mixture of recruits is a 60/40 to 70/30 ratio of Ohio to non-Ohio kids. Well, we have that 60/40 ratio right now, with six commits from Ohio and four from out of state. Also, those four out of state commits are from four different states (Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, and Illinois), and they are the cream of the crop in their home states:

Brewster (#1 OT in the country and #2 player in Florida per Rivals)
Goebel (#5 DT in the country and #2 player in Illinois)
Shugarts (#6 OT in the country per Scout)
Sweat (#5/#7 MLB in the country per Scout/Rivals and #7 player in PA per Rivals)

With 7 more ships available, 2-3 OOS kids would fit the ratio. The chances for Jenkins are looking pretty good (#1 player in WV per Rivals and #2 OG in the country per Scout). Getting him and Pryor would make our class flat out sick...
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You forgot one OOS guy that I am really excited about that is supposedly a big lean...

Willie Mobley(#14/#17 DT/ Strongside DE in the country per Scout/Rivals and #3 player in MN per Rivals)
 
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