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2008 ACC Discussion

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ACC vs. BCS Conference Match Ups (13-8)

Big 10 (0 - 1)
Duke l. Northwestern 20-24

Big 12 (4 - 0)
Florida State d. Colorado 39-21
Wake Forest d. Baylor 41-13
Virginia Tech d. Nebraska 35-30
Miami d. Texas A&M 41-23

Big East (2 - 2)
NC State l. South Fla. 10-41
North Carolina d. Rutgers 44-12
North Carolina d. Connecticut 38-12
Virginia l. Connecticut 10-45

Pac 10 (1 - 1)
Maryland d. California 35-27
Virginia l. Southern California 7-52

SEC (6 - 4)
Florida State l. Florida 15-45
Wake Forest d. Mississippi 30-28
Wake Forest d. Vanderbilt 23-10
Clemson l. Alabama 10-34
Clemson d. South Carolina 31-14
NC State l. South Carolina 0-34
Georgia Tech d. Mississippi St. 38-7
Georgia Tech d. Georgia 45-42
Miami l. Florida 3-26
Duke d. Vanderbilt 10-7
 
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GaTechBuckeye;1351366; said:
I'll sit and debate with you all day that the ACC is the best conference in college football this year. It was an absolutely fantastic year to be a fan of any team in the ACC.
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Most competitive? Yeah, I'd probably be hard pressed to argue otherwise.... Best? Eh... not so much. I won't call the ACC's OOC slate as you list in your other post "weak" but there's not a lot of big wins on the list either (GT over UGA is probably the most impressive, and that's not a knock, just trying to acknowledge). Again, the OOC slate is legitimate, but I'm not sure it necessarily proves what you want it to.

Competitive.. little question.
Best? Another issue.
 
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matt_thatsme;1351331; said:
Ok, as long as you don't confuse mediocrity with a good conference. The best ACC team is probably the 35th best team in the nation. It is not the lack of a marquee team, but the lack of a good team that makes the ACC weak.
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The ACC isn't the best conference IMO but they're not as bad as you think. Their best team is probably georgia tech who seems to have improved as the year has gone on, culminating with a win over Georgia. And I do not believe that game was a fluke in the slightest. So their best team is pretty good. What makes them impressive is that their worst team really isn't that bad. Every other conference has downright embarrassing teams at the bottom, but the ACC really doesn't. So yes, there is a buttload of parity right around the 20-50 rankings, which isn't bad at all, and is actually pretty good.
 
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I am definitely not arguing that the ACC is the worst conference in college football. I just don't think that there is even a remote possibility that it is the best conference in college football. Like I said, mediocre along with most other conferences. I may have overstated when I said that there are not good teams in the conference. Georgia Tech and probably Virginia Tech are the best teams. Other than that, most teams are around average, some a little above and some a little below. Regardless, just my opinion. I would place the ACC behind the Big 12, SEC, and throw them in somewhere around the Big 10 and the PAC 10. Probably pretty even with the Big 10 (Big 10's best teams are better, but the ACC would clean up at the bottom) and just ahead of the PAC10. IMO.
 
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GaTechBuckeye;1351578; said:
ACC vs. BCS Conference Match Ups (13-8)

Big 10 (0 - 1)
Duke l. Northwestern 20-24

Big 12 (4 - 0)
Florida State d. Colorado 39-21
Wake Forest d. Baylor 41-13
Virginia Tech d. Nebraska 35-30
Miami d. Texas A&M 41-23

Big East (2 - 2)
NC State l. South Fla. 10-41
North Carolina d. Rutgers 44-12
North Carolina d. Connecticut 38-12
Virginia l. Connecticut 10-45

Pac 10 (1 - 1)
Maryland d. California 35-27
Virginia l. Southern California 7-52

SEC (6 - 4)
Florida State l. Florida 15-45
Wake Forest d. Mississippi 30-28
Wake Forest d. Vanderbilt 23-10
Clemson l. Alabama 10-34
Clemson d. South Carolina 31-14
NC State l. South Carolina 0-34
Georgia Tech d. Mississippi St. 38-7
Georgia Tech d. Georgia 45-42
Miami l. Florida 3-26
Duke d. Vanderbilt 10-7
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2-4 against top 25 BCS teams. I will give you mediocre, I will even give you competitive, but not the best...not by a long shot.
 
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HailToMichigan;1351136; said:
Don't confuse the lack of a really good marquee team with being a bad conference. Guess which conference set a record this year with 10 bowl bids? (And was this[censored]ingclose to making it 11.)
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Gosh if only the Grohs knew which QB to play the whole fucking game.

matt_thatsme;1351331; said:
Ok, as long as you don't confuse mediocrity with a good conference. The best ACC team is probably the 35th best team in the nation. It is not the lack of a marquee team, but the lack of a good team that makes the ACC weak.
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Best ACC team is generally considered to be Tech (even w/o going to Tampa), and I don't think there's any arguement Tech isn't one of the top 15 teams in the country.

HailToMichigan;1351754; said:
I'm not so sure about that.
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Yeah, all except one (all three Duke fans were thrilled 4 wins).
 
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Palpie;1351940; said:
Gosh if only the Grohs knew which QB to play the whole fucking game.
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Mike Groh was a shitty offensive coordinator. I blame the playcalling directly for why we are not going to a bowl. And specifically, one absolutely atrocious playcall against Miami that cost us a chance at scoring when all we needed was a field goal.
 
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matt_thatsme;1351694; said:
2-4 against top 25 BCS teams. I will give you mediocre, I will even give you competitive, but not the best...not by a long shot.
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Actually, the ACC is 2-5 against top 25 BCS teams.

I'll list out how each conference did against top 25 BCS teams.

ACC (2-5)
Big Ten (0-6)
Big 12 (2-1)
Big East (0-3)
Pac 10 (2-8)
SEC (0-3)

Doesn't seem like a long shot to me.
 
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GaTechBuckeye;1352212; said:
Actually, the ACC is 2-5 against top 25 BCS teams.

I'll list out how each conference did against top 25 BCS teams.

ACC (2-5)
Big Ten (0-6)
Big 12 (2-1)
Big East (0-3)
Pac 10 (2-8)
SEC (0-3)

Doesn't seem like a long shot to me.
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Very deceptive stat.
You are comparing apples to oranges. For example: The SEC record of 0-3 consists of the two worst teams in the SEC (Ark. and Miss. St. losing to the (arguably) best teams in the Big 12 Texas and the best team in the ACC, Ga. Tech. The Ga. Tech win against UGA is legit.
The only fair way to compare conferences is to take the teams in each conference 1- 12 and match them up with the teams in the other conference (which is obviously not going to happen). This stat doesn't really show anything. The only thing that is relatively close to proving anything would be the bowl records at the end of the year.

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree until January when the bowl records are finalized.
 
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I was really only pulling the same stat you iterated above.

It's obviously never going to match up equally for multiple reasons.

The only teams with what currently seem like impressive wins out of conference are USC (Ohio State) and Oklahoma (Cincinnati).

I just wanted to defend the ACC a little. You pointed out our 2-5 record, but forgot to mention that included USC - Virginia, Northwestern - Duke, Alabama - Clemson, and Florida - Miami. These are all teams which are substantially higher in their own conferences then the ACC teams were respectively.

I'm really just having fun on this topic. If you really want my opinion I can bore you with it, but it's going to be hard in any conference. It's D 1 football with 20 year old kids and you're going to have to play coaches who have seen your teams and know your tendencies. It ain't easy anywhere.
 
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I agree, this is just a fun topic to talk about, but I think we both know in the end, there is no real answer.
It is slightly easier to say what conferences are not the best, though we disagree on that apparently. If you posted a poll on this site you would probably get a large percentage of people that say the Big 10 is the best conference. I am a Buckeye fan through and through, I have never even thought about supporting another team, but I am willing to put my bias aside and say that the Big 10 is clearly not the best conference.
Personally, when considering a conference I don't see any reason why you would even mention the bottom half of the conferences because after all, outside of the fans of those teams, who cares how good they are. I have a hard time believing that any conference would be able to match up against 1. Florida 2. Alabama 3. LSU 4. Ole Miss 5. Georgia 6. Vandy/SC or 1. Texas 2. Oklahoma 3. Missouri 4. Oklahoma St. 5. Texas Tech 6. Kansas/Nebraska with the obvious exception of each other. Is there anybody that can argue that every other conference is just competing for 3rd best conference?
 
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Sorry man. I am very passionately not supportive of the SEC.

Who has Alabama beaten?

And yes I'm crazy enough to believe Georgia Tech would beat Florida. They don't impress me...I guess I'm the only one.

The SEC awesome-lore is complete bullcensor.

Again...I apologize for my bluntness, but I take it head on. I don't like the SEC.
 
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The ACC's best team is on par with the 3rd/4th best of the b12 and SEC, imo.

There's little evidence to suggest otherwise, and a good deal of evidence to show that they can't hang with the top dogs around the nation.
 
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