BuckeyeNation27;1206539; said:
Not that I disagree, but we lost to a team that represented the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl. Pitt, on the other hand, had a dreadful season and lost to Navy along the way.
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Not that I disagree, but we lost to a team that represented the Big Ten in the Rose Bowl. Pitt, on the other hand, had a dreadful season and lost to Navy along the way.
HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
Right after Crisler left. They've used it since 1998 but never did before under a non-Crisler coached team.LightningRod;1206525; said:
The Helmet Project
The link'll take you to the main page.....if you've never seen that site before, just click on Ivy League. (If you're not familiar with that site, it's absolutely brilliant.)
Eh, we learned to play follow-the-leader in kindergarten
(I kid, I kid. I'm not actually claiming Script Ohio as our own. That would be crazy hypocritical considering I'm never going to give in to the idea of the winged helmet "belonging" to Princeton.)
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I am certainly not drinking the Barwis kool aid just yet, but there is potential for significant change here. Folks keep bringing up the Pitt game. What about countless other games where WVU ran around and through their opponents for sick yardage numbers? Not just the Big Easy - they did it against Georgia and they did it against Oklahoma.
For years we have been knocking UM for under performing under Carr. Laughing how their highly talented athletes failed to develop. Why should great improvement surprise us now?
And for all our trashing of the talent at UM this year this is not a MAC roster. Not to give more credence to star ratings than they deserve, but rather to look for an objective standard - guess whose starting OL has more total stars out of HS? Not ours.
Said it before and I'll say it again. Michigan will be very competitive this season.
All that said - it's 10:29 by my watch and Michigan still sucks.
Michigan DID do it first - we just had to correct the spelling and convert it to a marching script.
I will have to provide a link later - but I am pretty sure that is a rules violation in Lacrosse.
For years we have been knocking UM for under performing under Carr. Laughing how their highly talented athletes failed to develop. Why should great improvement surprise us now?
And for all our trashing of the talent at UM this year this is not a MAC roster. Not to give more credence to star ratings than they deserve, but rather to look for an objective standard - guess whose starting OL has more total stars out of HS? Not ours.
Said it before and I'll say it again. Michigan will be very competitive this season.
All that said - it's 10:29 by my watch and Michigan still sucks.
Michigan DID do it first - we just had to correct the spelling and convert it to a marching script.
I will have to provide a link later - but I am pretty sure that is a rules violation in Lacrosse.
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Oh8ch;1206591; said:
I suppose competitiveness is relative. I see them in the middle of the pack in the Big 10. That's not competitive by their standards, but IU would gladly take it. :)
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brutus2002
Legend
Jamie Collins from Mississippi committed to the Aubrun Tigers today. He is an athletic QB/S that had Michigan in his top 6. I have an Auburn buddy raving about how under the radar this kid is.
BTW michigan fans hows that Mississippi recruiting these days?
Tate Forciers dad seems to "love" RR...must mean some bad news on the Newsome front:(
BTW michigan fans hows that Mississippi recruiting these days?
Tate Forciers dad seems to "love" RR...must mean some bad news on the Newsome front:(
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I found this to hilarious.
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... the worst interview you've ever done.
Teddy Greenstein: Any session involving Lloyd Carr.
This guy surely has a beer on me anytime! 
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CollegeFootballNews.com - "Experts Disc. ... Best/Worst Interviews"
... the worst interview you've ever done.
Teddy Greenstein: Any session involving Lloyd Carr.
This guy surely has a beer on me anytime!
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Good points, HtM.
Oh8ch, I expect to see substantial signs of improvement this season. A lot of my sarcasm/mockery in recent posts is geared towards the outlandish types and the impending doom coming for the b10.
They could go 8-4 and fail to impress me, or go 7-6 and show much more growth and potential.
And you do a good job of it, and we try to help you back when you go astray. I enjoy having you around, despite your confused opinions at times :p. Plus without you, who would brutus keep updating with completely outlandish recruiting "losses"?And you don't see me complaining about it. (Much.) When I do, I have something specific to correct or argue about, so it's really just keeping you guys honest
Oh8ch, I expect to see substantial signs of improvement this season. A lot of my sarcasm/mockery in recent posts is geared towards the outlandish types and the impending doom coming for the b10.
But what does that mean? MSU was very competitive, but lost 6 games and failed to capitalize against their rivals despite some late leads or close deficits.
They could go 8-4 and fail to impress me, or go 7-6 and show much more growth and potential.
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OregonBuckeye
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heisman;1206600; said:
True. I predicted they'd go 5-7. I don't think they'll get blown out by anyone except us which in a way makes them competitive but 5-7 is 5-7.
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3yardsandacloud
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HailToMichigan;1206427; said:
Um, just not correct. I would think a Michigan fan would know the actual history of the "Winged Helmet". I have had to correct quite a few Michigan fans over the years on the actual story behind their iconic helmet. While I agree that Crisler gets the credit for making the helmet a football icon, he simply didn't "invent" the design. I suggest less "quick" to your history lesson and more "depth".
From your very own: Bentley Historical Library - University of Michigan Athletics History
University of Michigan Athletics -- Football
... Some accounts of the actual design of the new helmet have suggested Crisler came up with the idea out of whole cloth. In fact, Crisler had introduced a helmet at Princeton in 1935 that should look remarkably familiar to Wolverine fans. The winged design simply took advantage of features of a helmet the Spalding sporting goods company and advertised in the 1937 edition the Official Intercollegiate Football Guide. Crisler's 1938 innovation at Michigan was to paint the helmet maize and blue. His predecessor, Harry Kipke, had also experimented with special markings on the helmets in 1937. Fortunately, though, his designs did not catch-on ...
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HailToMichigan
Maize and Blue Wahoo
Just rearranged some of the bold for better emphasis.3yardsandacloud;1206715; said:
Also, another quote:
Crisler's wings came first. The story about him trying to find a way for the quarterback to distinguish his receivers from the defenders on a muddy field is true. They then changed a bit to reflect the Spalding helmet design. Much like piping on a uniform follows the seams where it was put together.The A.G. Spalding & Bros. Company, the nation's largest supplier of football equipment, first advertised its model FH5 helmet in the 1937 Official Intercollegiate Football Guide. The helmet is described as "National federation H.S.A.A. approved. A streamlined helmet of tan and black leather. Air-Lite cushion rubber padded and leather lined. Six point suspension straps in crown. Ventilating holes in crown, back and ear pieces. Slide chin strap. Each, $10.00."
Spalding marketed a number of helmet models that featured the "wing" design. The wing provided additional protective padding and helped bind the earpieces to the crown. The FH5 model was the only one featuring three straps running from front-to-back.
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In FSU's defense, 6 of the 10 O Linemen on the 2-deep don't even shave yet.billmac91;1206536; said:
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3yardsandacloud
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HailToMichigan;1206766; said:
Read it however you want ... you still won't be correct. For a historical archive, the Bentley Historical Library is sadly ambiguous on several points. But read the passage several times and you can only come to one conclusion. The helmet and design were created at Spalding. Crisler took the idea and ran with it. Two points from the noted article are undeniable
1) Crisler did NOT come up with the winged helmet from "whole cloth" i.e. he did not "invent" it.
2) Crisler's innovation/invention was a color scheme.
I'm not writing the history here, it's from your own school's historical library.
When Spalding first "advertised" the helmet, and when it was first "produced" are not necessarily the same. To say Crisler was ... "trying to find a way for the quarterback to distinguish his receivers from the defenders on a muddy field is true. They then changed a bit to reflect the Spalding helmet design" is to say ... "he used Spalding's design".
I'm not even trying to diminish Crisler's contribution of the winged helmet. He added an icon to the sporting world. I think it is akin to Script Ohio, or Buckeye Leaves on our helmets. Did OSU "invent" script Ohio? No. We took a concept (script writing) and came to a progressive thought ... "let's animate the writing". "Script Ohio" was born (not lowercase, script Ohio). Did Woody invent achievement stickers or badges of honor? No. Pretty sure school kids were getting stickers based on their performance placed on charts in their classes long before Woody placed them on helmets. Pretty sure the military was rewarding excellence with medals and pins well before the Buckeye Leaf. The progression was "hey, we can make that work in a unique way". Voila, another sports icon is created.
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It's a ridiculous looking helmet anyway. Who fucking cares. You're the Michigan Wolverines, not the Michigan Rakes.
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billmac91
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Dryden;1206801; said:
Ya, and when he came in, he ran offensive lineman ragged and several quit. Sound familiar??
It really hasn't made a huge difference.
Not to say it won't in 2 or 3 years, but for the time being he hasn't been the end all be all like many in Tallahassee were predicting. Like Barwis, many truly thought this new infused attitiude and approach to the offensive line was going to change everything. It doesn't work like that.
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