2007 TSUN News

[billmac91]

QB, O-line, I'll give you. RB? Are you nuts? RB is without any doubt in the world the strongest position on the team. We're absolutely stacked, and will be further stacked in the fall.

Experience tells me this is the sort of assertion that makes people go NO WAY DUDE - but I'd put our RBs up against any RB corps in the Big Ten. Even OSU, based on sheer numbers. You might as well not quote numbers at me, because I know our guys aren't going to stack up in the stats department. But Brown and Minor could probably start for any Big Ten team but OSU and Wisconsin. Horn looks like a keeper, Grady looks healthy, Moundros is set to play a big role at fullback, and oh yeah - McGuffie shows up in the fall. RB is the least of our concerns.

No offense, but Michigan isn't even in the top 15 at the RB position. I know you won't take my word for it, and I'll never be able to convince you, but between proven starters at other universities and how little your back-ups showed last year, I just don't see how you can make that statement.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

QB, O-line, I'll give you. RB? Are you nuts? RB is without any doubt in the world the strongest position on the team. We're absolutely stacked, and will be further stacked in the fall.

Experience tells me this is the sort of assertion that makes people go NO WAY DUDE - but I'd put our RBs up against any RB corps in the Big Ten. Even OSU, based on sheer numbers. You might as well not quote numbers at me, because I know our guys aren't going to stack up in the stats department. But Brown and Minor could probably start for any Big Ten team but OSU and Wisconsin. Horn looks like a keeper, Grady looks healthy, Moundros is set to play a big role at fullback, and oh yeah - McGuffie shows up in the fall. RB is the least of our concerns.

wow. you're losing it man. I hope to God RB is the strongest part of this Michigan team. that would be a fun 3 win season to witness.

 

[leroyjenkins]

HTM, I think rocketman was talking about starters. Like have yall found the 1 QB of the year, or the RB combo for the year, or the O-line for the year.











Or maybe he wasnt.

 

[billmac91]

in the Big 10 I'd certainly take Wisconsins RB depth and OSU's over Michigan.

Other solid teams at the RB position just off the top of the head:

Auburn
Georgia
USC (Souther Cal)
Clemson
LSU
Pitt (LeSean Mccoy, Conredge Collins)
Florida
I'd take the talent at Miami over Michigan

Maybe I'll do some research and come up with some more teams. Needless to say, that's 10 teams including Wisconsin and tOSU.

I don't know what Minor and Brown showed you last year? Every time I saw them my impression was: "damn, Michigan is screwed as soon as Hart leaves".

To each his own though.

 

[NFBuck]

Well, with Bike Hart's 0-4 record off the books, they're automatically better in one category...for now.

 

[leroyjenkins]

scUM- Brown, Minor, Grady, Horn, & McHurdle @ RB w/ Moundros @ FB

over

tOSU- Beanie, M. Wells, Saine, Boom Herron & Thomas @ RB w Hines (Terry, Spitler, Sweat) @ FB?????





I dont think so.

 

[NFBuck]

I'll give HTM that Minor and Brown looked decent filling in for the injured Bike last fall. But they put up a bulk of their numbers vs. MINNESOTA. Minor's big game was against awful Minnesota, take that away and he went 69-228, 0 TD's on the season. I still don't get why so mant scUMmer's are so enamored with Grady. Brown did well vs. a decent Illini D (25-113, 0) but had his big day against, yep, Minnesota. Take away the Minny game and his season was 62-250, 2. Now, DickRod's system is very RB-friendly, so I'd look for them to put up some pretty good numbers, but to say you'd take Grady/Minor/Brown/McHoppy and Horn over any backfield with Beanie Wells is beyond homeristically absurd.

Beanie vs. Grady.
Saine vs. Brown...I'd go with Saine.
MoWells vs. Minor...I'd give a slight edge to Minor, though I think MoWells could excel in DickRod's offense.
Herron vs. Horn...I'll take off my Scarlet glasses and call it a wash since neither has seen game action.
Flash vs. McHoppy...wash, maybe slight edge to the great white hope, though, again, Flash could be a real playmaker in DickRod's system.

Seriously, wake up HTM, you're homerism is going a little over the edge.

 

[HailToMichigan]

in the Big 10 I'd certainly take Wisconsins RB depth and OSU's over Michigan.

Other solid teams at the RB position just off the top of the head:

Auburn
Georgia
USC (Souther Cal)
Clemson
LSU
Pitt (LeSean Mccoy, Conredge Collins)
Florida
I'd take the talent at Miami over Michigan

Maybe I'll do some research and come up with some more teams. Needless to say, that's 10 teams including Wisconsin and tOSU.

I don't know what Minor and Brown showed you last year. Every time I saw them my impression was: "damn, Michigan is screwed as soon as Hart leaves".

To each his own though.

I don't really care how we stack up against Pitt, Clemson, et al., because we don't play them. Believe me, I'd love to have Knowshon Moreno. Everyone would. But I care how we look against the Big Ten. And I know that none of our guys are as good as P.J. Hill or Chris Wells but as I said, it's the depth I like. Brandoncarlos Minorbrown, who are basically the same player with the same measurables and stats (go look it up....it's eerie), carried 165 times for 767 yards. That's good for 10th in the conference, better than anything Northwestern or Minny could put up (two teams which actually are on the schedule), and of the players ahead, Mendenhall (Illinois), Caulcrick (MSU), Young (Iowa), and Kinlaw (PSU) are gone.

I know Wisconsin's got three pretty good RBs, but as a matter of personal preference I like our odds against the rest of the conference. Part of this is based on excitement over players like Grady, who was a bowling ball before he got hurt, and Horn, who looked really good in the spring game. Can't provide anything quantitative, but I like 'em anyway. And I'm including our fullback Moundros, and McGuffie too.

I hope to God RB is the strongest part of this Michigan team.

Please tell me what unit you can think of that's better - I could use the shot of optimism.

 

[billmac91]

it's my bad...I thought you compared your RB corpse to the entire country...upon further inspection, you said Big 10.

I don't really care how we stack up against Pitt, Clemson, et al., because we don't play them. Believe me, I'd love to have Knowshon Moreno. Everyone would. But I care how we look against the Big Ten. And I know that none of our guys are as good as P.J. Hill or Chris Wells but as I said, it's the depth I like.

I absolutely take best RB in the country Chris Wells, with his supporting cast over unproven Minor and Brown.

I also take the 1-2 combo of PJ Hill and Lance Smith with the other guy (Brown?) that got into the mix when Smith couldn't travel to away games.

I just don't know how anyone can say they'd rather have Michigan's RB corpse than OSU's. It isn't even close.

 

[HailToMichigan]

Saine vs. Brown...I'd go with Saine.

See, this is where we have our big difference. Saine? I know Saine has all the potential in the world and will probably be a big-play guy and all that when Wells is out of the way. But Brown has an extra year of experience, and Saine's numbers come mainly from two games last year: Washington and Kent State. Both teams had the run defense of a wet paper towel, same as Brown and Minnesota. You can have Saine, I'll take Brown any day.

And if your guys could be huge playmakers in RR's offense, why not ours? McHoppy (I like it) is made for it, as is Horn.

 

[leroyjenkins]

In a slight defense of HTM, you did say that youd take your RB corps, over ours by sheer numbers. So I guess youd be talking about the 3-5 RB's, and in that case, our #3 has game action but neither of the other 2 do. So im thinking I cant get all angry bc its your opinion. Even though I dont necessarily agree w it.

 

[NFBuck]

Brandoncarlos Minorbrown, who are basically the same player with the same measurables and stats (go look it up....it's eerie), carried 165 times for 767 yards.

...and again, what % of those yards came against Minnesota?

 

[billmac91]

See, this is where we have our big difference. Saine? I know Saine has all the potential in the world and will probably be a big-play guy and all that when Wells is out of the way. But Brown has an extra year of experience, and Saine's numbers come mainly from two games last year: Washington and Kent State. Both teams had the run defense of a wet paper towel, same as Brown and Minnesota. You can have Saine, I'll take Brown any day.

And if your guys could be huge playmakers in RR's offense, why not ours? McHoppy (I like it) is made for it, as is Horn.

HTM......99.9% of Michigan-land would trade Brown and Minor for Beanie straight up.

The fact that Beanie is exponentially better than Brown and Minor makes the argument of Saine vs. Brown irrelevant.

It's the equivalent of San Diego's RB core vs. the New York Jets RB core.

Although Darren Sproles is now the #2 in San Diego and he isn't as good as Thomas Jones or Leon Washington, I will without a doubt take San Diego's RB core.

LT is worth considerably more than Thomas Jones and Leon Washington.

Wells is worth considerably more than Minor and Brown.

tOSU RB's > UM's RB's

 

[jwinslow]

How many UM 'going to be awesome in the future, I promise, so bow down now" RBs does it take to match Beanie's value to the RB corps? We're talking about a heisman trophy candidate and likely top-15 pick next spring.

It's wonderful that you're excited about your RBs. I think that position will be good for Um, but they've done nothing to warrant this level of chest thumping on your part. Prove it, then start comparing them to established standout RBs in the b10.

I know Wisconsin's got three pretty good RBs, but as a matter of personal preference I like our odds against the rest of the conference.

PJ Hill has established himself as a franchise back. Their backup has proven himself FAR more than all of UM's RBs combined, and has just as much speed and big play potential as any of them.

Kevin Grady has established himself as a journeyman, who is in better shape and looking better.
Brandon Minor has established himself as a decent backup, with good upside.
Carlos Brown has hardly run the system, due to injury.
Sam McGuffie is a high school pup.

Can all of them emerge? Sure, but around these parts, promises and hype don't really compute very well in football talk.

Where is the justification for tossing OSU & Wisconsin's RB corps aside? Potential?

Part of this is based on excitement

Then perhaps you should've stuck with 'I love my guys and won't trade them for anyone', rather than the hyperbole that a slew of backups and youngsters are equal, let alone superior, to every other set of RBs in the b10.

Horn, who looked really good in the spring game.

Which was rather surprising given the spring he had.

 

[NFBuck]

See, this is where we have our big difference. Saine? I know Saine has all the potential in the world and will probably be a big-play guy and all that when Wells is out of the way. But Brown has an extra year of experience, and Saine's numbers come mainly from two games last year: Washington and Kent State. Both teams had the run defense of a wet paper towel, same as Brown and Minnesota. You can have Saine, I'll take Brown any day.

I like Saine's size/speed combo better. Brown may be good too, but we'll agree to disagree.

And if your guys could be huge playmakers in RR's offense, why not ours? McHoppy (I like it) is made for it, as is Horn.

Why I called them a wash. Just pointing out that though MoWells may have pedestrian numbers from how he's used here, could be much better in DickRod's offense.