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2007 NFL Draft (Projections/Mock Drafts/Evaluations/Draft)

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Buckin' A;824390; said:
Let me say this about the Quinn trade. We didn't lose our second rounder...we simply traded up to use our second pick. As far as giving up next years 1st rounder...we were most likely going to use next years 1st round pick on a QB anyway. We would not have gotten this talented of a QB next year unless we picked in the top 8. Plus, you get your frachise QB at a much cheaper price than you would picking high next year. That free's up more cap money to spend in free agency next year. Very smart move IMHO.
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Cleveland will have way too many holes next year to consider this anything but overpaying at this time.

Things may change and a couple players might develop, but there's a reason Quinn was there when the Browns got him.
 
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23Skidoo;824398; said:
Cap money hasn't been a big issue with Cleveland for awhile, so that seems like you're looking for reasons to see this as a smart move.
Furthermore, there is nothing that leads me to believe Quinn will be a franchise QB. He can be a very good QB, but I'd reserve throwing franchise out for when he actually is. Many teams have shown that you can develop a late-pick QB... Frye was not that bad last year, it had much more to do with the crappy line and Droughns losing his legs (which also goes back to the crappy line).
I agree we didn't trade away our 2nd this year -- we basically just moved up. But we handed away a top-15 pick next year to do so... WAY overpaid.
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Cap money hasn't been an issue in the past, but it will soon enough with all of the money the Browns have spent. And whatever need you planned on using next years 1st round pick on can now be addressed via free agency with the free'd up money.
Brady may not be a franchise QB, but he very well could be. You could argue that we got 2 of the top 5 picks in this years draft.
 
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Buckin' A;824408; said:
Cap money hasn't been an issue in the past, but it will soon enough with all of the money the Browns have spent. And whatever need you planned on using next years 1st round pick on can now be addressed via free agency with the free'd up money.
Brady may not be a franchise QB, but he very well could be. You could argue that we got 2 of the top 5 picks in this years draft.
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No way you can consider him a top-5 pick. Now you're just flat out living in your own alternate reality.
Like I said before, nothing about Quinn leads me to believe he is franchise material. QBs like Beck and Stanton have been just as impressive to me -- generally playing at the same level against the same level of competition.
The amount of money/year we saved this year is about enough to sign an Ahmann Green at RB. Wow, that caliber of player will really fill holes for us.
More likely, we'll just end up with more overpaid burned out FAs like Shaffer.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;824402; said:
Things may change and a couple players might develop, but there's a reason Quinn was there when the Browns got him.
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Yea, it's called teams drafting based on their own team needs. Other than Miami at #9, nobody needed a qb.

I was not a huge Quinn guy going into this draft, but I think this was a smart move. Everybody is learning a new system this year so Frye doesn't really have a leg up. It's quite possible that Quinn could be the starter for the season opener if he truly works and studies as much as the experts say.
 
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Buckin' A;824420; said:
Yea, it's called teams drafting based on their own team needs. Other than Miami at #9, nobody needed a qb.

I was not a huge Quinn guy going into this draft, but I think this was a smart move. Everybody is learning a new system this year so Frye doesn't really have a leg up. It's quite possible that Quinn could be the starter for the season opener if he truly works and studies as much as the experts say.
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Bottom line is that he isn't worth this years 2nd and a top-15 (likely top-5) pick next year.
 
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23Skidoo;824419; said:
No way you can consider him a top-5 pick. Now you're just flat out living in your own alternate reality.
Like I said before, nothing about Quinn leads me to believe he is franchise material. QBs like Beck and Stanton have been just as impressive to me -- generally playing at the same level against the same level of competition.
The amount of money/year we saved this year is about enough to sign an Ahmann Green at RB. Wow, that caliber of player will really fill holes for us.
More likely, we'll just end up with more overpaid burned out FAs like Shaffer.
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Damn, I'm surprised no team has hired you as a GM b/c you obviously are an expert on how every college prospect will pan out...oh, maybe you are living in an alternate reality.
 
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Buckin' A;824420; said:
Yea, it's called teams drafting based on their own team needs. Other than Miami at #9, nobody needed a qb..
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Uh, teams can trade up. Nobody traded up for Quinn in the mid teens because they knew nobody would take him until late.

The idiots like Kiper can blab all they want about Quinn being a steal. But he wasn't. The NFL knew he wasn't a great QB to begin with.

Every year, htere are players that Kiper and idiots say are a 2nd round pick or 3rd round pick. And then end up going late or not at all.

NFL teams will never tell you what they are thinking. Kiper is just a guy who looks at players for the heck of it. He doens't know anything special. His ass is never on the line on draft day. In 3 years, when the draft can properly be evaluated, nobody will remember or care what Kiper said 3 years ago.
 
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Buckin' A;824424; said:
Damn, I'm surprised no team has hired you as a GM b/c you obviously are an expert on how every college prospect will pan out...oh, maybe you are living in an alternate reality.
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lol, don't get pissy because you're the one making things up -- like claiming a guy picked 22nd overall is a "top-5 pick".
 
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23Skidoo;824422; said:
Bottom line is that he isn't worth this years 2nd and a top-15 (likely top-5) pick next year.
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We also hurt a division rival by doing this. Baltimore was getting ready to make this exact same trade until Cleveland swooped in at the last minute and did it. Baltimore's staff and Clevelands must be dumber than you.
 
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Buckin' A;824430; said:
We also hurt a division rival by doing this. Baltimore was getting ready to make this exact same trade until Cleveland swooped in at the last minute and did it. Baltimore's staff and Clevelands must be dumber than you.
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If Baltimore was looking to make this exact same trade... then we only hurt ourselves more IMO.
As for being smarter than Cleveland's staff... do you really think they're that smart? lmao.
And for Baltimores -- well, the Wizard is a badass -- but I'm not exactly trusting you on your word. Link?
 
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