SanAntonioBuck
RIP Our Friend and Hero
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king rhabuf
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hall is very overrated. He had a terrible game against us this year. he was mediocre in senior bowl practices too. I could really see him being a bust in the nfl. he isn't very fast and guys can separate themselves from him fair easily.
ginn is overrated as well imo. yes, hes a game breaker, but gonzo runs better routes than him, and his hands aren't very good. he really wasn't that great on kick returns this year either. i really like him as a player, but theres much more to being a WR than blazing speed.
ginn is overrated as well imo. yes, hes a game breaker, but gonzo runs better routes than him, and his hands aren't very good. he really wasn't that great on kick returns this year either. i really like him as a player, but theres much more to being a WR than blazing speed.
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23Skidoo
It's so Japaneasy
king rhabuf;737177; said:
I think Ginn's upside is that, even as a bust, he should be a huge return threat and be able to contribute as #2 receiver (worst case scenario), not to mention the ways you can line him up. Basically his versatility makes him a safer "bet" for a lot of teams.
Gonzo is a straight up receiver, and I think he'll do very well, but if he doesn't turn up as a WR he can't really contribute in other areas like Ginn can.
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king rhabuf
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BuckeyeMike80;737189; said:
when the hell did I ever say that?
lets just make stuff up!
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king rhabuf
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23Skidoo;737188; said:
he really didn't do that well on kick returns this year though....he definitely has the potential to bust open huge plays though.
i really want to see him do well, but his drops are really going to hurt him early on. who knows though, santanio looked downright AWFUL at times this year, but he really turned it on at the end of the year.
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23Skidoo
It's so Japaneasy
king rhabuf;737423; said:
You mean he didn't have many TDs returning? His average was pretty good and I can remember at least 2 TDs. This while teams avoided kicking the ball his direction like it was the plague. Why do you think we started putting Gonzo back there with him on punts? Ginn shows great promise as a return man, and I think GMs will see that.
Dropping the ball didn't seem to be an issue this year. It will be a lot of hard work for him to become an impact WR in the NFL, but the potential is there and he's shown great work ethic learning the position in 3 years, being in the spotlight.
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sandgk
Watson, Crick & A Twist
Already talked to by skidoo, but I agree, the lack of kicks to Ginn accounts for a lot of this.king rhabuf;737423; said:
How many WRs actually show totally jaw dropping stuff in their first year - certainly not many, fewer still get in the groove from the first game on.king rhabuf;737423; said:
Jerry Rice, who many consider to be the greatest receiver ever, had a pretty shaky start in the NFL. He had numerous drops, he had huge question marks coming in, with many questioning his durability, his speed.
Rice shut up his doubters pretty well, netting 927 yards once he got going, over a quarter of which came in one game - a 10 catch effort for 241 yards against the Rams, in December of '85. His YPG average other than that game was not huge his first year, and his TD production OK, but not holler from the hill tops worthy, at a total of three.
I believe that the sports press has unrealistic expectations for their drafted student athletes. When they come good within their first season, we and they should be pleasantly surprised. When they do not, be patient.
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23Skidoo
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OregonBuckeye;738062; said:
I'm going to guess 4-year starting QBs that lead great comeback wins against Juggernauts (Stanford, UCLA, and MSU), career numbers like 95 TD - 39 Int, and going 0-3 in Bowl Games all while playing in an offense that throws just 7 times less a game than an offense he's called gimicky (as an attempt to discredit their QB as a product of the system.)
Does anybody else wonder if King is just NDC in disguise?
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Cornerback6
Optimism Lover
king rhabuf;737177; said:
And exactly how many drops did Ted have this year??? Try to give me at least 2 games where he had more than one. You blow my mind.
Are you on this board just to drive the rest of us crazy? :tongue2:
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Okinawa's#1Buck
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23Skidoo;738170; said:
No, but I do think he post just to see his name on the "TV" and impress his mom.
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osucollegebuck
Nathan Williams #43
ted ginn jr. / steve smith
Any chance Teddy bulks up a little and could be a small #1 receiver like a steve smith? Before everyone crushes me for comparing Ginn to Steve Smith I'm just comparing their frames so relax :) .
Any chance Teddy bulks up a little and could be a small #1 receiver like a steve smith? Before everyone crushes me for comparing Ginn to Steve Smith I'm just comparing their frames so relax :) .
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king rhabuf
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Cornerback6;738176; said:
Did you watch the game this year? He had three drops. He had 2 kickoff returns, including the one in the NCG.
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king rhabuf;737417; said:
You did say he was "sticking to his man" at one point...
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You've also talked about Phil looking at a CB in the first 2 rounds, which won't happen.
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