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09 pick won't be anything special... too far down... so I'm willing to add Damon Jones to this deal...exhawg;875674; said:
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Then go snag Lee Humphrey, he might actually make the threes instead of talking about them.NJ-Buckeye;875949; said:09 pick won't be anything special... too far down... so I'm willing to add Damon Jones to this deal...
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crazybuckfan40
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exhawg;875939; said:
I don't see how you can reasonably offer your back up guy more money...IMO it is only going to cause problems...
I would try and do a sign and trade but I wouldnt have a backup making more than the starter, after the starter just resigned the year b4...
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billmac91
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Lee Humphrey can't play in the NBA.....no handle and would get abused defensively....plus, itys not a given he'd consistently be able to knock the 3 down at an NBA level...it took Kapono3-4 years before he could make any impact at all in the NBA, and that was only when he got to play w/ the most dominate center in the NBA......if all it takes is a good shot to play in the NBA, Craig Hodges would of gotten more than 8 mins a game while w/ Chicago, or any other of the thousands of shooters to roll through the NBA who get no burn
I'm pretty surprised by the laize-faire attitude towards Anderson.....I still think he has room to improve, and also believe hes more vital to our sucess than Drew Gooden......Anderson will bang down low, give great D, and isn't afraid to take it to the hoop....the guy is still YOUNG too....it isn't as if hes reached his prime, this kid will be a starter very shortly in the league, and give lots of years
If it were up to me, we'd find a PG who can penetrate, combined with a 2 guard who can actually shoot.......I think Rashard Lewis would be huge for this team, or even Chauncey Billups....I think Billups would thrive in our current offense where there really isn't one. A veteran like him would be able to sort through this crap and be a leader..the guy also brings the ability to islolate on a block or knock the trey down, plus he plays solid D......Imagine running a starting 5 of Chauncey, Gibson, LeBron, Varejeao, Ilgauskas
That would open the court up for LeBron w/o compromising our D
A starting 5 of Hughes, Lewis, LeBron, Gooden/Varejeao, Ilgauskas doesn't sound bad either though
I'm pretty surprised by the laize-faire attitude towards Anderson.....I still think he has room to improve, and also believe hes more vital to our sucess than Drew Gooden......Anderson will bang down low, give great D, and isn't afraid to take it to the hoop....the guy is still YOUNG too....it isn't as if hes reached his prime, this kid will be a starter very shortly in the league, and give lots of years
If it were up to me, we'd find a PG who can penetrate, combined with a 2 guard who can actually shoot.......I think Rashard Lewis would be huge for this team, or even Chauncey Billups....I think Billups would thrive in our current offense where there really isn't one. A veteran like him would be able to sort through this crap and be a leader..the guy also brings the ability to islolate on a block or knock the trey down, plus he plays solid D......Imagine running a starting 5 of Chauncey, Gibson, LeBron, Varejeao, Ilgauskas
That would open the court up for LeBron w/o compromising our D
A starting 5 of Hughes, Lewis, LeBron, Gooden/Varejeao, Ilgauskas doesn't sound bad either though
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I wasn't that serious with the Humphrey suggestion. Then again, I think 'able to play' is a loose phrase for DJ, imo.
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billmac91
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ya, DJ is pretty deplorable....at least he can handle it a little bit when needed, but my God his D is awful...whenevr he's in the game you can expect an iso on him.......I guess the wuick backlash on Lee is a lot of people have been mentioning him as a potential answer, and it just wouldn't be a good idea.....I don't really think theres anything he would be able to offer us b/c I don't think theres a chance in hell he'd ever see the court
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Bucks21
Hall of Fame
billmac91;875970; said:
I agree that the Cavs cannot and imo they will not let Varejeao walk without getting something for him or just keeping him. But how do you propose that the cavs get Lewis or Billups? Don't have the cap for Billups or the pieces to trade for Lewis.
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billmac91
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they'd have to get creative to acquire Billups...prob a sign and trade, but obviously, if the Pistons can sign Chauncey, they aren't likely to trade him to the Cavs.....I think a trade with the Sonics could be possible, especially b/c they aren't expecting to be contenders next season...if we could load them up w/ expiring contracts so they could acquire a major piece next season along with their first round pick in 2008, that'll probably be a top 12 , they'd have to be excited......If you're Sonics brass, is it worth paying Rashard Lewis today and into the future, if you're 95% certain you won't make the playoffs.......If I were them, and I believe this is the way they're thinking, if they can sign Lewis and trade him for several expiring contracts, they have the ability to get a big-time free agent to go with Durant and Green in their second year while having the ability to draft a major piece in 2008
It will be interesting.....but truthfully, I expect Cleveland to have the same basic roster they did last year. Call me pssimistic but I don't believe our current roster takes us to the finals next year....we have to acquire more fire-power, our current line-up just doesn't have the ability IMO to get it dopne consistenly....I still think Detroit was probably the better team, we just got lucky w/ an exceptional performace by LBJ and guys who got hot
It will be interesting.....but truthfully, I expect Cleveland to have the same basic roster they did last year. Call me pssimistic but I don't believe our current roster takes us to the finals next year....we have to acquire more fire-power, our current line-up just doesn't have the ability IMO to get it dopne consistenly....I still think Detroit was probably the better team, we just got lucky w/ an exceptional performace by LBJ and guys who got hot
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Make an $80M / 5 year offer for Billups... knowing Detroit HAS to match it... Billups to the Pistons is Nash to the Suns... so we screw up the Pistons salary cap for years... and they can't go get anyone else worthwhile... altho, regrettably I liked their draft this year... dammit...
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No way is Varejao more valuable to the team than Gooden. Gooden is much more polished offensively - and it's not even close. Varejao is better defensively, but is much more of a liability on offense than Gooden is at the other end. Varejao is young, but Gooden is young too. In fact, he's only a year older than Varejao.
At times, Varejao is absolutely painful to watch on the offensive end. People say that because he's young he can still grow into his offensive game, but he can be so awkward at times that it would really take a revelation for him to become Gooden's equal offensively. Meanwhile, Gooden is also still young, and it would not nearly as big a stretch to think that he can play at the defensive end at the level that he showed in the playoffs, or that he can develop some consistency and move past his propensity for disappearing from time to time.
I wouldn't mind the Cavs keeping Andy, but they shouldn't overpay for him. Granted, I really don't know what overpaying is in this case, but much of what I've read in this thread seems to be overstate Varejao's contribution to the Cavs' success.
At times, Varejao is absolutely painful to watch on the offensive end. People say that because he's young he can still grow into his offensive game, but he can be so awkward at times that it would really take a revelation for him to become Gooden's equal offensively. Meanwhile, Gooden is also still young, and it would not nearly as big a stretch to think that he can play at the defensive end at the level that he showed in the playoffs, or that he can develop some consistency and move past his propensity for disappearing from time to time.
I wouldn't mind the Cavs keeping Andy, but they shouldn't overpay for him. Granted, I really don't know what overpaying is in this case, but much of what I've read in this thread seems to be overstate Varejao's contribution to the Cavs' success.
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billmac91
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Drew is a tweener though....he gets beat when having to defend good 4's whereas Anderson can hang....Drew had a great postseason offensively, he's made it a difficult option for Cleveland w/ his offensive play, but he also sucked rotating on D and just made boneheaded decisons while trying to defend......he looked like a 7th grader out there trying to defend San Antonio..things like leaping on shot fakes instead of just giving up a 20 footer, not committing hard fouls to prevent lay-ups, and just terrible rotation
Plus, I think Drew was playing out of his mind offesnively...if I were an opponent I would of given those jumpers up to Drew all night and asked him to beat us....I'm not sure that consistency is something we can rely on, where we can count on Anderson at least giving us great D
Plus, I think Drew was playing out of his mind offesnively...if I were an opponent I would of given those jumpers up to Drew all night and asked him to beat us....I'm not sure that consistency is something we can rely on, where we can count on Anderson at least giving us great D
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exhawg
Mirror Guy
Right now Varejao is the backup 4/5, but before this contract is up he will be the starting center. I'd pay him anything under 9-10 mil a year based on his future rather than the fact that he is a backup now. How many times is Andy in for the end of the game rather than Z or Gooden? Ginobili (sp) doesn't start so does that mean the Spurs don't give him at least the 3rd most money on the team?
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Napoleonbuck
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That's what I'm thinking exhawg. Andy plays two positions, Drew plays one. Andy will likely start at C when Z retires, which means he will deserve starter money. Not to mention Andy can guard PF and C, while drew can only guard PF(and he's not as good as Andy when it comes to guarding PF, at least not on a consistent basis).
I'd be all for giving Andy his paycheck. He will mature offensively. He won't have the range of Gooden, but he moves without the ball better, which is just as important in our Lebron driven offense.
I'm positive Gooden will understand that it's just the way the market works. It's one thing if we gave him this money as an unrestricted FA, but if this is what Memphis is offering, our hands are tied into what we have to offer. Gooden is mature and he'll understand.
I'd be all for giving Andy his paycheck. He will mature offensively. He won't have the range of Gooden, but he moves without the ball better, which is just as important in our Lebron driven offense.
I'm positive Gooden will understand that it's just the way the market works. It's one thing if we gave him this money as an unrestricted FA, but if this is what Memphis is offering, our hands are tied into what we have to offer. Gooden is mature and he'll understand.
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
Napoleonbuck;876059; said:
this is the exact reason why memphis is on him. gasol wants out badly. AV can play the 5 in the west, and slide over to the 4 when warrick needs a rest. AV is not even close to being polished enough offensively to warrant $8 milion per. In fact, I'd say that the following is likely:
He's slowly earning the reputation at a flopper. It was said repeatedly throughout the playoffs. As such, he's not going to draw the same number of charges in the future. Additionally, by playing more minutes, he will wear down more, which will make him slower and only amplify the reduction of drawn charges.
AV is a role player. He comes off the bench, gives energy and plays defense. That's not worth $8 million per, period.
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