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I think Ginn comes back and so does Gonzo. The same reasoning for both of those players could be a factor. Gonzo hasn't seen the double teams yet and I don't think Ginn has excelled the way he wants to against those double teams. Ginn could use a little more weight going into the league and Gonzo just needs a little more visibility, imo. Both definitely have the talent and I think a team could take Teddy on special teams ability alone, but in order to take that first draft pick on him, he needs to be able to produce on the offensive side as well. Put him in the slot at the next level in a 3 wide receiver set and he could be outstanding. Line him up against Champ Bailey or Chris McAllister right now and its not going to look as good. Ginn also would have an early edge in Heisman voting also which would boost that draft stock. If Gonzo gets a few more attempts at returns I think that could boost his stock as well just like Holmes getting the special teams duties in Pittsburgh right now.
Probably viewing throught the Scarlet glasses, but I think both guys stay and next years QB is ecstatic!
Probably viewing throught the Scarlet glasses, but I think both guys stay and next years QB is ecstatic!
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Every osu insider that has addressed the Ginn - NFL topic has said he's gone. If it was one or two people saying it, I could hold out hope. When it's every single one, then I think it's time to cherish Ginn's last season.
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Draft Notes: Receivers and Tight Ends: Jeff Samardzija, More
Posted Oct 29th 2006 8:20AM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: NFL Draft
A look at the Saturday performances of wide receivers and tight ends who could be playing on Sunday next year.
Jeff Samardzija, Notre Dame: The country's top senior receiver had a very quiet day against Navy, with just one catch for 22 yards. He'll be a late first-round pick if he commits to football full time, and a second-day pick if he tells NFL teams baseball is his top priority.
Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech: Miami did a fairly good job of keeping Tech quarterback Reggie Ball from passing to Johnson, but Johnson still managed five catches for 68 yards and the game-winning touchdown. Only a serious injury could prevent Johnson from being a Top 10 pick.
Ted Ginn, Ohio State: Ginn had a surprisingly quiet game, with three catches for 22 yards. Minnesota's defensive game plan focused on stopping him, and I suppose you could say it worked, if you can say anything worked in a game you lose 44-0. Ginn seems like a sure thing to turn pro, and he would most likely be a mid-first-round pick.
Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio State: Like his flashier teammate, Ginn, Gonzalez had a quiet game, with three catches for 30 yards. Gonzalez is probably less than 50-50 to turn pro after this season. If he did he'd be chosen late on the first day of the 2007 draft, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't turn pro: If he returns for his senior season, he's unlikely to improve his draft stock because he'll be playing with a new quarterback (Troy Smith is a senior) and because Ginn won't be there to draw attention from him anymore.
Aundre Allison, East Carolina: Allison had four catches for 58 yards in the Pirates' 20-17 overtime win over Southern Mississippi. Allison has good speed and good hands and is probably the second-best senior receiver after Samardzija, but he has an injury history and just has too many games with mediocre numbers.
Matt Spaeth, Minnesota: The top tight end prospect for 2007 was held without a catch against Ohio State.
John Carlson, Notre Dame: I don't think Carlson will turn pro, but every time I see him I feel a little less confident about that opinion. His five-catch, 75-yard game against Navy was yet another example of why he's the kind of reliable possession receiver that NFL teams love to have.
Fred Davis, USC: There has been some talk that the 6-foot-4, 225-pound Davis will turn pro after this season, but he needs another year of seasoning. He's not a particularly good blocker, and although he did have a touchdown catch, he gained just 20 yards on four catches against Oregon State.
Draft Notes: Receivers and Tight Ends: Jeff Samardzija, More
Posted Oct 29th 2006 8:20AM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: NFL Draft
A look at the Saturday performances of wide receivers and tight ends who could be playing on Sunday next year.Jeff Samardzija, Notre Dame: The country's top senior receiver had a very quiet day against Navy, with just one catch for 22 yards. He'll be a late first-round pick if he commits to football full time, and a second-day pick if he tells NFL teams baseball is his top priority.
Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech: Miami did a fairly good job of keeping Tech quarterback Reggie Ball from passing to Johnson, but Johnson still managed five catches for 68 yards and the game-winning touchdown. Only a serious injury could prevent Johnson from being a Top 10 pick.
Ted Ginn, Ohio State: Ginn had a surprisingly quiet game, with three catches for 22 yards. Minnesota's defensive game plan focused on stopping him, and I suppose you could say it worked, if you can say anything worked in a game you lose 44-0. Ginn seems like a sure thing to turn pro, and he would most likely be a mid-first-round pick.
Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio State: Like his flashier teammate, Ginn, Gonzalez had a quiet game, with three catches for 30 yards. Gonzalez is probably less than 50-50 to turn pro after this season. If he did he'd be chosen late on the first day of the 2007 draft, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't turn pro: If he returns for his senior season, he's unlikely to improve his draft stock because he'll be playing with a new quarterback (Troy Smith is a senior) and because Ginn won't be there to draw attention from him anymore.
Aundre Allison, East Carolina: Allison had four catches for 58 yards in the Pirates' 20-17 overtime win over Southern Mississippi. Allison has good speed and good hands and is probably the second-best senior receiver after Samardzija, but he has an injury history and just has too many games with mediocre numbers.
Matt Spaeth, Minnesota: The top tight end prospect for 2007 was held without a catch against Ohio State.
John Carlson, Notre Dame: I don't think Carlson will turn pro, but every time I see him I feel a little less confident about that opinion. His five-catch, 75-yard game against Navy was yet another example of why he's the kind of reliable possession receiver that NFL teams love to have.
Fred Davis, USC: There has been some talk that the 6-foot-4, 225-pound Davis will turn pro after this season, but he needs another year of seasoning. He's not a particularly good blocker, and although he did have a touchdown catch, he gained just 20 yards on four catches against Oregon State.
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WaitingforKickoff
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I don't know who this Michael David Smith is, but he is not someone you want to talk to about when to turn pro. You just don't send a JR to the draft knowing that is a "late on the first day" guy. There are probably dozens and dozens of JRs who have 2nd to 4th round type of grades right now, and probably won't elevate their status if they stayed, but this guy chose to focus on Anthony Gonzalez. Leave our players alone, please!!!!
In unrelated news Matt Spaeth of Minnesota did not play against OSU due to an injury.
In unrelated news Matt Spaeth of Minnesota did not play against OSU due to an injury.
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Fred Davis, USC:
"He's not a particularly good blocker..."
That's o.k., why would he want to go to a school where he's expected to block?
"He gained 20 yards on 4 catches..."!!!
Now THAT's what I'm talkin about!
"He's not a particularly good blocker..."
That's o.k., why would he want to go to a school where he's expected to block?
"He gained 20 yards on 4 catches..."!!!
Now THAT's what I'm talkin about!
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Draft Notes: Wide Receivers Ted Ginn, Jeff Samardzija, More
Posted Nov 5th 2006 9:20AM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: NFL Draft
A look at the Saturday performances of wide receivers who could be playing on Sunday next year.
Ted Ginn, Ohio State: Illinois allowed Ginn to catch passes underneath and just tried to avoid giving up the big play, and it worked. The Illini held Ginn to just 26 yards on five catches. He's a big play threat every time he touches the ball and he will almost certainly turn pro after this season, but the Illini showed that he can be held in check.
Jeff Samardzija, Notre Dame: Samardzija had six catches for 177 yards and a touchdown, and his 23rd career touchdown catch broke the school record. There's no question that he's a great pro prospect, but there is a question whether he'll make football his top priority and forgo baseball.
Aundre Allison, East Carolina: Allison has good speed, but he looked more like a possession receiver against Central Florida, catching eight of the 12 passes thrown to him, for 68 yards. I expect Allison to be the second senior receiver taken this year, behind only Samardzija (and possibly ahead of Samardzija if he decides to focus on baseball), but that says more about the quality of the senior receiver class this year than it does about Allison.
Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio State: Gonzalez had just two catches for 18 yards in a listless effort against Illinois. Gonzalez couldn't get open against a young but athletic Illini secondary, and this game was a good piece of evidence that he ought to return for his senior season.
Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech: ESPN's Scott Van Pelt said "Calvin Johnson is too good to play college football," and that's about right. He had nine catches for 168 yards and two touchdowns against North Carolina State, and he's far and away the best receiver prospect in the draft.
Draft Notes: Wide Receivers Ted Ginn, Jeff Samardzija, More
Posted Nov 5th 2006 9:20AM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: NFL Draft
Ted Ginn, Ohio State: Illinois allowed Ginn to catch passes underneath and just tried to avoid giving up the big play, and it worked. The Illini held Ginn to just 26 yards on five catches. He's a big play threat every time he touches the ball and he will almost certainly turn pro after this season, but the Illini showed that he can be held in check.
Jeff Samardzija, Notre Dame: Samardzija had six catches for 177 yards and a touchdown, and his 23rd career touchdown catch broke the school record. There's no question that he's a great pro prospect, but there is a question whether he'll make football his top priority and forgo baseball.
Aundre Allison, East Carolina: Allison has good speed, but he looked more like a possession receiver against Central Florida, catching eight of the 12 passes thrown to him, for 68 yards. I expect Allison to be the second senior receiver taken this year, behind only Samardzija (and possibly ahead of Samardzija if he decides to focus on baseball), but that says more about the quality of the senior receiver class this year than it does about Allison.
Anthony Gonzalez, Ohio State: Gonzalez had just two catches for 18 yards in a listless effort against Illinois. Gonzalez couldn't get open against a young but athletic Illini secondary, and this game was a good piece of evidence that he ought to return for his senior season.
Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech: ESPN's Scott Van Pelt said "Calvin Johnson is too good to play college football," and that's about right. He had nine catches for 168 yards and two touchdowns against North Carolina State, and he's far and away the best receiver prospect in the draft.
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ulukinatme
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Samardzija has said that he wants to play both sports, so that may hurt his chances for a decent draft in football. The Cubs have already said that they're fine with him playing football too...which can be scary as a pitcher I guess when you're takin' hits on the field, you could easily mess up your throwing arm I bet
Rhema McKnight hasn't been getting much publicity this year, although he was the go to guy for Brady before he was hurt last season in the Michigan game. So far this year he has 670 yards passing though, just under the Shark, and 3 more TDs /w 11 total. Samardzija still leads him career wise in TDs since the passing game was turned around last year.
John Carlson, also for ND, has been a nice surprise at TE, he probably has some of the best stats among TEs in the country at this point in the season. Hes over 600 yards receiving as well, but only has 3 TDs. The thing was, we weren't expecting anything out of a TE going into the season after Fasano graduated and went pro.
Aside from those guys, Ginn's speed and Calvin Johnson's hands make them the best receivers in their respective molds. Stats aside, even though there are receivers with better stats, stats only account for so much. Both guys are playmakers and when they're playing well, their team as a whole benefits and can feed off the performance.
Rhema McKnight hasn't been getting much publicity this year, although he was the go to guy for Brady before he was hurt last season in the Michigan game. So far this year he has 670 yards passing though, just under the Shark, and 3 more TDs /w 11 total. Samardzija still leads him career wise in TDs since the passing game was turned around last year.
John Carlson, also for ND, has been a nice surprise at TE, he probably has some of the best stats among TEs in the country at this point in the season. Hes over 600 yards receiving as well, but only has 3 TDs. The thing was, we weren't expecting anything out of a TE going into the season after Fasano graduated and went pro.
Aside from those guys, Ginn's speed and Calvin Johnson's hands make them the best receivers in their respective molds. Stats aside, even though there are receivers with better stats, stats only account for so much. Both guys are playmakers and when they're playing well, their team as a whole benefits and can feed off the performance.
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Jagdaddy
Head Coach
DaddyBigBucks;637186; said:As for next year's receivers:You know I'm all about the stats. I like numbers the way I like a good Black & Tan. But I also know that football is all about instinct. When my gut talks I listen.
My gut doesn't talk often. It said that Vinny Testaverde would take a long time to catch on in the pros, if he ever did. My gut was right. It said that Peyton Manning would be the real deal. Chalk up one more for my gut.
Now my gut won't shut up. It's silent on Smith, Ginn and Gonzo. But it won't let me sleep with what it has to say about Brian Robiskie.
I have NOTHING to base this on other than just watching him play and listening to my gut; but I'm telling you this guy is the ONE. I'm not talking Gonzo or Ginn good. I'm not even talking Santonio Holmes good.
Larry Fitzgerald is the closest comparison I can make for where I think Robo is going; but when he gets there, people won't be comparing him to anyone. He will be the standard.
I realize I'm a bit out on a limb here. Nobody else is saying that he's THAT special. I mean NOBODY.
But there it is. Robo is going to go down in OSU history as our best ever. I believe it. I won't ask you to believe it... yet.
But if I'm right I won't let you forget it.
I understand the Fitzgerald comparison: Robo's body control, specifically the way he uses his body to screen defenders and snatches the ball with his hands, reminds me of Fitzgerald. I also love Robo's knack for finding open spots when plays break down. Still, I can't go all the way with your comparison until I see a lot more explosiveness, both in terms of pure speed and the ability to leap over defenders for jump balls, from Robo. I've tried to think of what pro Robo might really remind me of, but he doesn't really remind me of anyone. The Broncos' Rod Smith might be the closest comparison, but Robo seems like he'll be a lot bigger than Rod.
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7Brutus7
Future Brutus
One of my good friends met Gholston at a Pistons game a couple of weeks ago and one of the things they talked about was Ginn leaving for the NFL, according to what my friend told me Ghloston said Ginn is gone for sure.
As far as gonzo is concerened i'm still up in the air as to how this one will turn out. I dont really see him as a first round draft pick and i believe he would benefit getting some time as a #1 receiver...im still not that worried if he leaves though and could not be more pysched for the Robiskie, Hartline, Small trio.
and i never really thought Pittman would even consider leaving, seeing as how he would get the chance to be pretty much the centerpiece of the offense next year and really show off his talents....also does anyone remember talk about a heisman campaign for pitt next year? I'm kinda vauge on this but i couldve sworn i saw something about this during a telecast of one of the games this year...
As far as gonzo is concerened i'm still up in the air as to how this one will turn out. I dont really see him as a first round draft pick and i believe he would benefit getting some time as a #1 receiver...im still not that worried if he leaves though and could not be more pysched for the Robiskie, Hartline, Small trio.
and i never really thought Pittman would even consider leaving, seeing as how he would get the chance to be pretty much the centerpiece of the offense next year and really show off his talents....also does anyone remember talk about a heisman campaign for pitt next year? I'm kinda vauge on this but i couldve sworn i saw something about this during a telecast of one of the games this year...
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DaddyBigBucks;637186; said:But if I'm right I won't let you forget it.
I for one won't be annoyed by your "I told you so"s...
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WaitingforKickoff
Legend
If I have to rank them, it would be Hartline, Robiskie then Small. Hartline is the most physical out of the three and has size, acceleration and speed, which means a lot of catches in traffic, a ton of YAC and a lot of TDs vs. Michigan. Robo has the best body control out of the three, has size, and is the best technician. If he develops more of that initial burst of speed, I would not hesitate to label him as the next Fitzgerald. However, difference making acceleration is not something that can be easily taught...Speaking of acceleration, Small seems be the most explosive of the three. Reminds me a lot of Holmes except that he is nowhere as polished yet. Good news is that Hartline and Robo have really came on during the second half of the season. So if our top two WRs do indeed bolt for the NFL, we may still have the best tandem of WRs in the big ten.
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