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2006 Heisman Discussion (merged all)

ulukinatme;661389; said:
I wouldn't point fingers, Troy has fewer attempts/completions and still has more yards per completion. Sounds like hes throwing bombs more often than Brady :wink2:
I was talking quality of bomb rather than the amount of bombs thrown. Quinn will throw floaters that are jump balls.. Troy will put it where we can cacth it or no one will cacth it.

except last week into the wind, thats a perfect example of the video game hail mary.. just throw a prayer to shamrsja this week to illustrate
 
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BIG MOVER: Troy Smith

OHIO STATE QB
It's over. Done. Finito. Smith led the top-ranked Buckeyes to an unbeaten season and a victory over the No. 2 team in the country . . . twice. He could have cracked against Texas or on Saturday against Michigan, but instead he excelled.

The top five

1Smith: He was dead-on accurate, looked poised in the pocket and bought time when he needed it. He becomes only the second Ohio State quarterback to beat Michigan three times.
Sat.: 316 passing yards, four TDs. Season: 2,507 passing yards, 30 TDs, one rushing TD.

2Brady Quinn, Notre Dame QB: Needed Smith to lose or have a bad game. Didn't get either.Sat.: 218 passing yards, three TDs. Season: 3,004 passing yards, 32 TDs; two rushing TDs.

3Mike Hart, Michigan RB: The Wolverines' top player had a big game on the big stage. A good bet to finish in the top five. Sat.: 142 rushing yards, three TDs. Season: 1,515 rushing yards, 14 TDs; 127 receiving yards.

4Steve Slaton, West Virginia RB: His crucial fumbles against Louisville may be the only thing keeping Slaton from being a top-two Heisman challenger and West Virginia from being unbeaten. Thu.: 204 rushing yards, two TDs; 130 receiving yards, two TDs. Season: 1,567 rushing yards, 14 TDs; 295 yards receiving, two TDs.

5Pat White, West Virginia QB: If the Mountaineers were unbeaten, it would be interesting to see which player the school would back as its candidate. Thu.: 204 passing yards, two TDs; 220 rushing yards, two TDs. Season: 1,346 passing yards, nine TDs; 1,057 rushing yards, 17 TDs.
 
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Heisman Website

Can anyone remember the name of the website where this guy predicts the winner of the Heisman every year? He's gotten it correct like the last 8 years and the website used to be called heisman.com, but they sued him.

Can anyone help out?
 
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Chasing Heisman


Monday, November 20, 2006


1. (1) Troy Smith, Ohio State
QB
Odds: 1-2
Next week: Done
Comment: Quinn's the only one who can catch him, but would need a monster game against USC.

2. (2) Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
QB
Odds: 6-1
Next week: at Southern Cal
Comment: Compared to Smith: 500 more passing yards, two more touchdowns, same interceptions, but loss to Michigan.

3. (7) Steve Slaton, West Virginia
RB
Odds: 50-1
Next week: vs. South Florida
Comment: Second in nation with 1,578 rushing yards, deserves New York invite.

4. (5) Mike Hart, Michigan
RB
Odds: 60-1
Next week: Done
Comment: Three-touchdown effort vs. Buckeyes should send nation's No. 4 rusher to New York.

5. (off) Colt Brennan, Hawaii
QB
Odds: 100-1
Next week: vs. Purdue
Comment: Three straight 400-yard passing games, 48 total touchdowns for team on eight-game winning streak.

6. (4) Darren McFadden, Arkansas
RB
Odds: 125-1
Next week: vs. Louisiana St.
Comment: Could still move up with big games against LSU and Florida.

7. (6) JaMarcus Russell, LSU
QB
Odds: 200-1
Next week: at Arkansas
Comment: Passer rating nearly identical to Troy Smith, deserves more attention.

Dropped out: (3) Ray Rice, Rutgers RB.
 
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2. (2) Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
QB
Odds: 6-1
Next week: at Southern Cal
Comment: Compared to Smith: 500 more passing yards, two more touchdowns, same interceptions, but loss to Michigan.

Please...

It never ceases to amaze me.

He looked like shit against Georgia Tech, MSU, Michigan, etc...

Its not like he had one bad game. Lately hes been padding the stats against teams like Army...
 
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BuckBojangles;666430; said:
Can anyone remember the name of the website where this guy predicts the winner of the Heisman every year? He's gotten it correct like the last 8 years and the website used to be called heisman.com, but they sued him.

Can anyone help out?

http://www.stiffarmtrophy.com/

MililaniBuckeye;654117; said:
Worst performance of the year for each:


Quinn: 24-48-3, 234 yards, 3 TD, with -18 yards rushing (47-21 loss at home)

'nuff said...


To date
 
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Thanks for that link. That saved me some time, since I was going to calculate these numbers today, to see what % of first-place votes that Troy Smith would need to set a record. I think he will break Reggie Bush's record.

The info below is from www.stiffarmtrophy.com:

The top 10 biggest winners of the H------ Trophy:

YEAR POINTS WINNER

2005 91.8% Reggie Bush
1998 85.2% Ricky Williams
1993 83.8% Charlie Ward
1968 80.6% O.J. Simpson
1991 75.5% Desmond Howard
1976 75.0% Tony Dorsett
1999 73.8% Ron Dayne
1984 71.1% Doug Flutie
1986 70.3% Vinny Testaverde

NOTE: Other analyses that compare H------ balloting from year-to-year usually rely on the vote margin or the total points earned. However, those methods are flawed. After all, the number of official voters has fluctuated from 500-700 in the 1940s, to over 1200-1300 in the 1950s, to the present 920-or-so since 1988. The best way to analyze "biggest winner" is to examine the points scored, as a percentage of points possible (number of voters times three).
 
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OSU's Smith wrapped up Heisman; race is on for No. 2

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Troy Smith's spectacular performance against Michigan gave Ohio State a berth in the national title game and Smith the Heisman.


Start the engraving. After throwing for 316 yards and four touchdowns and leading Ohio State to a victory over No. 2 Michigan in a game you may have heard about, Buckeyes quarterback Troy Smith is this column's Heisman winner. So Brady Quinn backers can stop e-mailing about how "Quinn had better stats against Penn State and Michigan State." The bottom line is this: In both Notre Dame's and Ohio State's biggest game this season, Michigan, Smith passed (and won) while Quinn failed (and lost).

There is still a question however as to who will join Smith in New York. We will try to answer that question the next three weeks, narrowing the list to eight this week and five next week before ending the year with the top three candidates.
1. Troy Smith, Ohio State, QB, Sr.

Last week: 29-of-41 passing, 316 yards, 4 TDs, 1 INT; 4 rushes, 12 yards in a 42-39 victory over No. 2 Michigan
Season: 199-of-297 passing, 2,507 yards, 30 TDs, 5 INTs; 62 rushes, 233 yards, 1 TD
Heisman-o-meter: He was brilliant in the first half, spreading the ball around as he has done all season and moving the chains against a defense that had been nasty all year. And after a rather sluggish third quarter and with the outcome still in doubt, Smith drove the Buckeyes down the field for the clinching score (with some assistance from Michigan linebacker Shawn Crable). He has been solid since Day 1 and deserves the stiff-armed statuette. The only question is how big will his winning margin be?
Up next: Regular season complete
2. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, QB, Sr.

Last week: 22-of-30 passing, 218 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT; 5 rushes, 32 yards in a 41-9 victory over Army
Season: 252-of-387 passing, 3,004 yards, 32 TDs, 5 INTs; 68 rushes, minus-9 yards, 2 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: Quinn nickel-and-dimed the Black Knights to death (he had only one completion longer than 20 yards, a 24-yard touchdown pass to Rhema McKnight in which McKnight earned the last 15 yards himself), but that's because Army preferred to defend against the deep ball. He likely has already clinched an invite to New York, but I can't see any scenario on Saturday that would vault Quinn over Smith.
Up next: Saturday at No. 3 USC
3. Darren McFadden, Arkansas, RB, Soph.

Last week: 26 rushes, 84 yards; 1-of-1 passing, 16 yards; 2 kickoff returns, 94 yards, 1 TD in a 28-14 victory at Mississippi State
Season: 223 rushes, 1,303 yards, 12 TDs; 3-of-3 passing, 37 yards, 2 TDs; 8 receptions, 115 yards, 1 TD; 8 kickoff returns, 226 yards, 1 TD
Heisman-o-meter: A talented Bulldogs run defense stacked the line and slowed McFadden, who was playing without key blocking fullback Peyton Hills. D-Mac however still managed to impact the game with a 92-yard kickoff return for a touchdown. Last week I moved McFadden up to No. 3 because I didn't feel it was right to rank another running back ahead of him. But after Mike Hart's gutty effort against Ohio State, D-Mac will have to perform well the next two weeks to stay here.
Up next: Friday vs. No. 9 LSU
4. Mike Hart, Michigan, RB, Jr.

Last week: 23 rushes, 142 yards, 3 TDs; 2 receptions, 5 yards in a 42-39 loss at No. 1 Ohio State
Season: 301 rushes, 1,515 yards, 14 TDs; 15 receptions, 127 yards
Heisman-o-meter: Just when the Wolverines looked on the verge of losing touch with Ohio State, Hart came up with a huge run time after time. An interesting stat: No other Michigan back carried the ball for the Wolverines on the day. In other words, when it counted the most the boys in blue wanted Hart to have the ball. He still could end up No. 3 on this list depending on how McFadden finishes the year.
Up next: Regular season complete
5. Colt McCoy, Texas, QB, Fr.

Last week: Idle
Season: 174-of-250 passing, 2,102 yards, 27 TDs, 4 INTs; 64 rushes, 181 yards, 2 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: Word out of Austin is that McCoy has recovered from his stinger suffered on the first drive in Texas' loss to Kansas State, but as of Sunday his status for Friday's game was uncertain. He's likely right around the cut line to make it to New York, but even if he doesn't get there, he has already set the table for a Heisman run next season.
Up next: Friday vs. Texas A&M
6. Steve Slaton, West Virginia, RB, Soph.

Last week: 23 rushes, 215 yards, 2 TDs; 6 receptions, 130 yards, 2 TDs in a 45-27 victory at Pitt
Season: 204 rushes, 1,578 yards, 14 TDs; 20 receptions, 295 yards, 2 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: In Thursday night's game, people saw why it's both easy and difficult to vote for Slaton. It's easy because the speedy back is a tide-turning gamebreaker matched by few in college football. It's difficult because he may not be the best player on his team. Quarterback Pat White, who had 424 yards of total offense and accounted for four touchdowns, could very well be on this list as well. The edge for now goes to Slaton, at least until White's passing skills catch up to his crazy legs.
Up next: Saturday vs. South Florida
7. Ray Rice, Rutgers, RB, Soph.

Last week: 18 rushes, 54 yards, 1 TD in a 30-11 loss at Cincinnati
Season: 263 rushes, 1,388 yards, 16 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: The Cinderella candidate on the Cinderella team was shut down by an underrated Bearcats defense, and when the game got out of control in the second half, Rutgers went to the air, effectively taking Rice out of the game. (He had three carries for five yards in the second half.) This column has been a Rice backer from Week 1, but after Saturday it was impossible to keep him ahead of Slaton.
Up next: Saturday vs. Syracuse
8. Marshawn Lynch, Cal, RB, Jr.

Last week: 20 rushes, 88 yards; 5 receptions, 21 yards in a 23-9 loss at No. 4 USC
Season: 188 rushes, 1,178 yards, 9 TDs; 30 receptions, 286 yards, 4 TDs; 5 kickoff returns, 101 yards
Heisman-o-meter: The Bears moved the ball behind an effective Lynch in the first half but could not get anything going against an inspired Trojans defense in the second. There are other candidates with similar, even better, stats who could be considered for the last spot (Wisconsin's P.J. Hill for one), but none of them have the gamebreaking ability of Lynch.
Up next: Dec. 2 vs. Stanford
 
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2. (2) Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
QB
Odds: 6-1
Next week: at Southern Cal
Comment: Compared to Smith: 500 more passing yards, two more touchdowns, same interceptions, but loss to Michigan.

That is precisely why you never say it's over if a Notre Dame player is a candidate.

That is not the difference. I'm trying not to get too pissed but what a douchebag. Smith is twice the QB Quinn is. It's also funny how he mentions passing yards and not rushing yards(which Smith has more than 200 of than Quinn). Quinn also has 100 more passing attempts. Seriously, fuck this guy.
 
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[FONT=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]MARK EDWARDS[/FONT]
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[FONT=arial, helvetica]AP file photo by Kiichiro Sato[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]Ohio State�s Troy Smith ranks fifth in the nation in passing efficiency.[/FONT] [FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]A Heisman vote for Smith: Ohio State QB plays his best in big games[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,serif]I[/FONT]t's always fun to read and hear comments from coaches and players about the Heisman Trophy.
They tend to speak as if they're authorities, even though only a few of the 924 Heisman voters make their choices public. It's not like the national team polls where everyone can see from week to week how the process has gone, which allows everyone to make a reasonable guess about what will follow.
Ohio State receiver Anthony Gonzalez on teammate Troy Smith after Saturday's win over Michigan: "He's the best player in the country and he certainly locked up the Heisman."
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel on Smith on Saturday: "I would think he clinched the Heisman Trophy. I don't think there's any question about that."
Well, Gonzalez and Tressel might be right. At the least, Smith has my one vote. The ballot arrived by mail Friday, and I plan to return it after this weekend's games with Smith's name on top.
Voters are asked to vote for their top three choices in order, and unless something exceptional happens this weekend, I'll put Arkansas running back Darren McFadden second and West Virginia running back Steve Slaton third.
Smith has played well all year. He ranks fifth in the nation in passing efficiency. His 30 touchdown passes rank fourth.
He has started all 12 games, and Ohio State has won them all.
Most importantly, he plays especially well in big games. In Saturday's 42-39 win over Michigan, he faced an unbeaten team with one of the top-10 defenses in the country. He threw for 316 yards and four touchdowns.
Earlier this year, Ohio State won at then-No. 2 Texas 24-7 and Smith completed 17 of 26 for 269 yards and a pair of touchdowns with no interceptions.
The Buckeyes played at Iowa when the Hawkeyes were unbeaten, and Smith led 38-17 win. He threw for only 186 yards on 16-of-25 passing but completed four touchdown throws with no interceptions.
The big-game performances make the difference. After all, going strictly on season statistics, his overall numbers are awfully similar to Texas freshman quarterback Colt McCoy, who probably will land somewhere on my ballot next year but not now.
McFadden gets the second spot on my ballot, partly because Arkansas is one of the five best teams in the country because of him. Without McFadden, the Razorbacks wouldn't be ranked in the top 15, wouldn't be going to the SEC Championship Game and wouldn't be anywhere in the national picture.
With 1,303 rushing yards, he ranks ninth in the country, even though he was slowed early with a toe injury. His 14 touchdowns rank 14th in the nation.
Three of his four biggest games came when his team needed him most ? 145 yards at Auburn, 219 at South Carolina and 181 at home against Tennessee.
He has thrown a couple of touchdown passes and returned a kickoff for a back-breaking touchdown in Saturday's win over Mississippi State.
Maybe it's Southern bias to put McFadden second over other quality running backs like Slaton, Michigan's Michael Hart and Rutgers' Ray Rice, but McFadden deserves consideration.
As for Slaton, he ranks second in the nation in rushing. He averages 7.7 yards a carry even though he's getting about 20 attempts a game. He has rushed for fewer than 128 yards only twice this year ? in a 52-3 blowout of Eastern Washington when he picked up 105 yards on eight carries, and in an early-season 27-10 win over Eastern Carolina when he rushed for 80.
He has scored in every game but one and appears to have gotten stronger as the season has worn on.
In addition, he has become an important part of the West Virginia passing game.
In Thursday's 45-27 win over rival Pittsburgh, Slaton rushed for 215 yards and two touchdowns and caught six passes for 130 yards and two more scores.
He struggled with fumbles in West Virginia's lone loss, which came to Louisville, but he still rushed for 156 yards.
Even so, I might be considering the wrong guy from West Virginia.
Quarterback Pat White has rushed for more than 1,000 yards, scored 17 touchdowns and passed for more than 1,000 yards and nine touchdowns.
But for now, none beat Smith. Like his teammate and coach said, he probably locked up the Heisman with Saturday's performance.
 
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Heisman Poll




By Rocky Mountain News
November 21, 2006
The Rocky Mountain News Heisman poll is the longest-running weekly Heisman Trophy poll in the country, in its 20th year. The final poll in December correctly has predicted the Heisman winner in 16 of the previous 19 seasons. There are 10 voters, two from each of five regions of the country. The tabulations are on a 5-4-3-2-1 basis. First-place votes in parentheses.
This week?s poll with statistics from last weekend:
Name, position School Statistics Points

Troy Smith, QB Ohio State 29-of-41, 316 yards, 4 TDs 50 points (10)
Brady Quinn, QB Notre Dame 22-of-30, 218 yards, 3 TDs 31 points
Steve Slaton, RB West Virginia 23 carries, 215 yards, 2 TDs 21 points
Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas 26 carries, 84 yards 20 points
Mike Hart, RB Michigan 23 carries, 142 yards, 3 TDs 18 points
Others: Colt Brennen, QB, Hawaii, 7; Calvin Johnson, WR, Georgia Tech, 2, Ray Rice, RB, Rutgers, 1.
The voters: Kirk Bohls (Austin American-Statesman); Scott Cain (Arkansas Democrat Gazette); Dennis Dodd (CBSSportsLine); Vahe Gregorian (St. Louis Post-Dispatch); Mike Griffith (Knoxville News Sentinel); Randy Holtz (Rocky Mountain News); John Lindsay (Scripps Howard News Service); Michael Lewis (The Salt Lake Tribune); John Rohde (The Oklahoman); Michael Vega (The Boston Globe).

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ESPN Experts Poll


Each week, ESPN.com's panel of experts casts its votes for the top Heisman candidates. The panel consists of analysts, former players, former coaches and ESPN.com's college football staff.

This page will be updated each Monday.

Name Position School Year 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Total

Troy Smith QB Ohio State Sr. 15 0 0 0 0 75
Brady Quinn QB Notre Dame Sr. 0 14 1 0 0 57
Darren McFadden RB Arkansas So. 0 1 4 5 4 30
Steve Slaton RB West Virginia So. 0 0 3 3 2 19
Colt Brennan QB Hawaii Jr. 0 0 2 2 4 14
Mike Hart RB Michigan Jr. 0 0 2 1 2 10
Pat White QB West Virginia So. 0 0 2 0 1 7
Calvin Johnson WR Georgia Tech Jr. 0 0 1 2 0 7
Ted Ginn Jr. WR Ohio State Jr. 0 0 0 1 0 2
Marshawn Lynch RB Cal Jr. 0 0 0 1 0 2
Ian Johnson RB Boise State So. 0 0 0 0 1 1
Chris Leak QB Florida Sr. 0 0 0 0 1 1



ESPN's Take


by Mark Schlabach, ESPN.com Each week, ESPN.com asks one of its Heisman Watch voters to explain his picks.
1. Troy Smith, Ohio State
He is not only the best player on the sport's best team -- he is one of the best big-game performers in college football history.
2. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame
He has put up eye-popping numbers the last few weeks and can cement his standing as one of the Fighting Irish's all-time bests by beating USC.
3. Calvin Johnson, Georgia Tech
The Yellow Jackets' sensational junior won't win the Heisman Trophy, but he'll be the No. 1 choice in the NFL draft. He is the best player in college football -- period.
4. Darren McFadden, Arkansas
The sophomore won't win the Heisman Trophy this year, but he'll be one of the leading candidates to win it in 2007. He is an absolute physical freak.
5. Steve Slaton, West Virginia
There isn't a faster runner in college football -- the sophomore can take it the distance at any moment.
Mark Schlabach covers college football and men's college basketball for ESPN.com. You can contact him at [email protected].
 
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