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2006 Heisman Discussion (merged all)

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Player.......................1st...2nd...3rd...4th...5th...Pts
Troy Smith..................4......0......0......0......0.....40
Steve Slaton...............0......2......0......0......2.....16
Colt Brennan...............0......0......2......2......0.....16
Mike Hart...................0......1......1......0......0.....12
Brady Quinn................0......1......0......1......1.....11
Darren McFadden.........0......0......1......0......0.....05
Ian Johnson................0......0......0......1......1.....04
 
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November 20. 2006 6:59AM
Making a big statement

Ohio State Heisman Trophy candidate Troy Smith shined in his moment on the big stage.

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AL LESAR
Tribune Staff Writer


OK, this week it's Brady Quinn's turn.

Saturday, Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith appeared on a national stage and put his best foot forward against Michigan in a 42-39 victory to set a standard in the two-horse race for the Heisman Trophy.

Next Saturday night in Los Angeles, Notre Dame's Quinn will have his shot against Southern Cal to prove he's the best player in college football.

Smith, who took some devastating hits in the game, went a long way toward swaying some votes with an impressive first half against the Wolverines. The Buckeyes scored on four of their five first-half possessions, en route to a 28-14 lead, but ran the ball just 10 times.

The premise of Ohio State's first-half offense was to use a five-receiver set and let Smith pick Michigan's vaunted defense apart.

It worked.

Smith was accurate on 21-of-26 passes for 241 yards and three touchdowns. What's more amazing is that during those first 30 minutes, he connected with eight different receivers. Ted Ginn, Jr., caught six for 74 yards and a TD.

Remember, that's the same Michigan defense that bruised and befuddled Quinn (25-of-49 passing, 241 yards, three TDs, three interceptions in a 47-21 Michigan win) in September.

"I think the Heisman Trophy is a team award," Smith said. "I don't care who you are, you can be hands-down the most electrifying player in college football and lose two or three games and you're out of (the race)."

"I think he has the Heisman for sure now," said Ginn, who is very biased. "He deserves it for all the work he's done. Like Troy said, 'It's a team award,' but since they have to give it to one guy, it should go to him."

"I would think he clinched the Heisman Trophy, I don't think there'd be any question about that," Ohio State coach Jim Tressel said. "You can talk about it now that the regular season is over. I think he's the best player in college football."

He finished completing 29-of-41 passes for 316 yards. His only interception came on a deflection. Smith scrambled fewer times than he normally does, running four times for 12 yards. He was sacked just once.

"Troy's No. 1 quality is toughness," Tressel said. "You can't be a championship quarterback or an All-American quarterback without being tough, and Troy is that."

"I live and play through everybody else," Smith said. "When I stare at 10 guys in the huddle, or 105-plus guys on the sidelines, their eyes are wide open and they'll do anything to support the team. There's no way I could get into a situation where I feel as if my legs hurt, my knee is hurt, my elbow is hurt, and limp like there's something wrong. I could never short-change my teammates."

The fans weren't short-changed in terms of entertainment value of the game. Sure, there were plenty of mistakes -- a couple bad snaps by Ohio State center Doug Datish that turned into turnovers and a critical roughing the passer penalty by Michigan's Shawn Crable -- but it might have been good enough to see it again in the national championship game.

"I guarantee, if we play them again, it would be a whole different game," Michigan running back Mike Hart said of the possibility of a rematch. "If it doesn't happen, that's our fault. We should have gotten them the first time.

"We're both the top teams in the country, regardless of what anybody says. On a neutral site, it would be a big game. If I won, I'd probably be like, 'No, I don't want a rematch.' Any time you lose, you want another shot."

Staff writer Al Lesar:
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(574) 235-6318
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF;667987; said:
OK, this week it's Brady Quinn's turn.

Saturday, Ohio State quarterback Troy Smith appeared on a national stage and put his best foot forward against Michigan in a 42-39 victory to set a standard in the two-horse race for the Heisman Trophy.

Next Saturday night in Los Angeles, Notre Dame's Quinn will have his shot against Southern Cal to prove he's the best player in college football.
That is comical. Only a South Bend Tribune writer would say it's a "two-horse race," or that "Quinn will have his shot."

Sorry, but 2,999 other newspapers in the country are reporting it's over.

Why am I picturing a "Quinn Defeats Smith" headline on the cover of the Dec 10 issue in SB? :wink2:
 
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At this point, the question isn't whether or not Smith will win the Heisman Trophy, but whether he'll win it by the largest margin in Heisman history.

Quinn will have to play out of his mind against USC just to place 2nd, otherwise he'll fall to 3rd behind McFadden.
 
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Besides the question of whether it will be a record margin of victory, the other item of interest is who else gets the trip to New York.

I see 6 guys still in the running for a free ticket to see Troy win the Trophy:

QBs - Colt Brennan, Brady Quinn, Pat White

RBs - Mike Hart, Darren McFadden, Steve Slaton

My ranking of players, as of today (Ray Rice dropped this week):

1. Troy Smith
2. Colt Brennan
3. Mike Hart
4. Steve Slaton
5. Pat White
6. Brady Quinn
7. Darren McFadden

My guess for the Heisman voting, as of today:

1. Troy Smith
2. Brady Quinn
3. Mike Hart
4. Steve Slaton
5. Darren McFadden
6. Colt Brennan
7. Pat White
 
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BB73;668130; said:
My guess for the Heisman voting, as of today:

1. Troy Smith
2. Brady Quinn
3. Mike Hart
4. Steve Slaton
5. Darren McFadden
6. Colt Brennan
7. Pat White
I agree for the most part, but McFadden has been getting a lot of love from the media the past few weeks, and I think Slaton's case of fumblitis against Lewellville is gonna come back to haunt him.
 
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NFBuck;668155; said:
I agree for the most part, but McFadden has been getting a lot of love from the media the past few weeks, and I think Slaton's case of fumblitis against Lewellville is gonna come back to haunt him.

Part of my guessing the (final) vote is predicting the performances of the remaining games. I think Slaton will get huge yards against Rutgers, and that McFadden will be slowed down by LSU and Florida.
 
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BB73;668158; said:
Part of my guessing the (final) vote is predicting the performances of the remaining games. I think Slaton will get huge yards against Rutgers, and that McFadden will be slowed down by LSU and Florida.
True, true. I'd like to see McFadden get there, he's a helluva player and the guy I called one of the most underrated players in the country on a thread here last summer, so that would make me look, you know, smart.:biggrin:
 
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NFBuck;668162; said:
True, true. I'd like to see McFadden get there, he's a helluva player and the guy I called one of the most underrated players in the country on a thread here last summer, so that would make me look, you know, smart.:biggrin:

At least smarter than Run-DMc when he busted up his toe in the fight in a bar parking lot at 4 a.m. :wink2:
 
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I am hearing about an attack on Troy Smith even being Heisman quality because of "character" issues.
Gee! I wonder who would bring up such a thing? :pissed:
All the more reason to hate the Domers and their fans!

Remember, there is a precedent for such a thing. Peter Warrick.
 
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Where are you hearing this crap? That's news to me. If you heard this anywhere outside of South Bend, other than it being some random comment a drunk buddy told you in a bar, I'd be shocked. Either way, no chance that has an effect on the voting. The media loves Troy's political answers and praise for his teammates almost as much as they love his play.
 
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The best part is going to come after Brady Quiff spits the bit against the second decent defense he has seen this year and his team loses to the second decent team they have played this year.

McFadden is more worthy of 2nd place than Quiff.
 
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MarionStar


Heisman voters can't get this one wrong, can they?
By TOM SHERER
BuckeyeBuzz.com

Ohio State's Troy Smith -- with his 30 touchdowns to only five interceptions, 3-0 record against Michigan and suspended outcast-to-team leader story -- should win the Heisman Trophy in a landslide. The question is: Will he?
In theory, the Heisman is supposed to be awarded to the "outstanding college football player in the United States." In reality, the process is much more convoluted -- and confusing -- than that.

Argue as much as you want about the recent American League and National League MVPs. Debate until you're blue in the face over the Cy Young awards. No matter how you look at it, no trophy -- not even for Super Bowl MVP -- shines with more luster than the Heisman. It is, quite simply, sports' top individual award.
Unfortunately, it often doesn't seem to go to the top individual player.
The Heisman family boasts an impressive number of football legends: Roger Staubach, O.J. Simpson, Herschel Walker, Barry Sanders, just to name a few. But for every legend there's a myth: Andre Ware, Gino Torretta, Rashaan Salaam, Danny Wuerffel, just to name a few, too.
After Sanders in 1988, 12 of the next 17 winners accomplished little or nothing in professional football. That number would be even worse if it wasn't for the fact three of the past four winners -- Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush -- are doing well in the NFL. (Thank you, USC.)
When you walk into the Woody Hayes Athletic Center at Ohio State, it's difficult to miss the storied Heisman history. But for a program that boasts the second-most Heismans -- one behind Notre Dame -- Ohio State has had its share of misfortune.
In 1984, Boston College quarterback Doug Flutie gave fans a thrill-a-minute ride. I'm sure several times in the past few days fans saw his Hail Mary to beat Miami, especially considering the Eagles and Hurricanes played again Thursday and Flutie's heroics came the day after Thanksgiving 22 years ago.
That play, in front of a nationwide audience to give his team a 47-45 victory in an absolute classic game, cemented Flutie as the Heisman winner over the Buckeyes' Keith Byars.
Many argued against Flutie because it was doubtful he would succeed at the next level because of his lack of tangible measurements and skills.
The argument the Heisman should go to the best player at the college level based on his performance in college, not his pro potential, is undeniable. But even giving it to the player who excelled above all others in college isn't done a lot of the time.
In 1996, Wuerffel, a quarterback at Florida, won after leading the nation in touchdown passes for a second consecutive season. But was he truly a better player than Ohio State's Orlando Pace, who managed no better than a fourth-place finish even though he clearly was the most dominant player in the nation?
Even Mrs. Butterworth, Aunt Jemima and Hungry Jack know the answer to that pancake of a question.
When in doubt, voters love to hand the Heisman to the "best" player on the "best" team. (How else do you explain Torretta?) Of course, then you have the problem of determining which is the best team since the award is presented a month before the BCS National Championship Game.
Maybe the powers that be should look into awarding the Heisman after the season is finished. Then again, maybe they'll work on that right after they develop a legitimate playoff system that crowns a true national champion.
Five years ago, Nebraska's Eric Crouch won the Heisman, then lost in the national championship game. Florida State's Chris Weinke, Miami's Torretta and Vinny Testaverde, and Nebraska's Mike Rozier did the same. And that's just in the past few decades. As a side note, only five winners since 1958 have played on an unbeaten team.
Just in the past 14 years, Marshall Faulk, Steve McNair, Randy Moss, LaDainian Tomlinson and Ben Roethlisberger finished as finalists. However, none were viewed as major threats to win -- not because they weren't talented, but because they played for smaller programs against "inferior" competition.
The best any of them finished was second (Faulk in 1992). McNair placed third, Moss and Tomlinson were fourth and Roethlisberger came in ninth. Among the Heisman portraits that were commissioned and names that were engraved instead of theirs? Torretta, Salaam, Weinke and Jason White.
No matter who wins the Heisman, you can be sure he will join an elite fraternity. It's an exclusive club that almost always inducts the nation's most outstanding player ... who played on offense ... at a "skill" position ... on a winning team ... for one of about 20 big-name programs.
Ohio State fans should thank their Buckeye leaves Smith meets all of those criteria.
Since the first kickoff, Smith has been the Heisman front-runner, and he did nothing during the season to lose the award. Still, it's often said whoever is Notre Dame's quarterback going into the season is the leading candidate.
This season, that player is a legitimate contender. With No. 3 USC and a national television audience up next for Brady Quinn, the luck of the Irish could prove ominous for Smith's campaign if Quinn shines in a Notre Dame victory.
If Quinn somehow pulls off the upset of Smith, you can bet some Buckeye fans' Heisman pose will be one of being up in arms. Still, others will say it doesn't mean much with the national championship game just around the corner. However, that's a difficult sell for a fan base of a program that parades potential recruits in front of the Hayes Center's shrine of Heisman winners as a not-so-gentle reminder of why players should come to Columbus.
Even with a great performance by Quinn against the Trojans, it would seem as though Smith should be able to strike the Heisman pose with legitimacy Dec. 11. But the oblong football can bounce in strange ways in this sport sometimes.
Heisman voters wouldn't dare stiff-arm Smith. Would they? Sherer can be reached at (740) 328-8555 or tsherer@ newarkadvocate.com.
 
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I suspect working to Troy's favor is the fact that Vince Young got snubbed last year. Personally, I thought Young was the hands down superior college player. It sure begins to look bad if the voters snub top black quarterbacks two years in a row for arguably inferior white QBs. I'm not saying that's why Troy will win it. He flat-out deserves it, period. I'm just saying it may help him hold off the media hype pulling for Brady Quinn
 
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