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2006 Heisman Discussion (merged all)

so what will the awards show be like?

i mean, its obvious that troy smith will win..

will they even invite others...

how does that work...

would an invite to a guy like brennan, or even quinn be a slap in the face to them?

i mean, there is no chance they would win, so why waste their time?
 
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HilmerJ;673319; said:
so what will the awards show be like?

i mean, its obvious that troy smith will win..

will they even invite others...

how does that work...

would an invite to a guy like brennan, or even quinn be a slap in the face to them?

i mean, there is no chance they would win, so why waste their time?

I didn't think Orlando Pace was going to win in 1996, but certainly didn't think it was a "slap in the face" when he was a finalist. Nor have I heard a number of other finalists who weren't that close to winning sound off on the invite (even if they were QBs or RBs--Pace may have been an exception because he was an OT).

I would think that being a Heisman finalist is an honor in its own right--would it be more of an insult if the fourth-place finisher wasn't invited (but would have been considered a finalist in other years)?
 
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Name.........Position..School.......Year...........1st...2nd...3rd...4th...5th...Total
Troy Smith.....QB......Ohio State...Sr............15.....0......0......0......0......75
Brady Quinn....QB......Notre Dame..Sr.............0.....7......6......2......0......50
Darren McFadden.RB..Arkansas.....So.............0.....6......5......2......2......45
Mike Hart.........RB.....Michigan......Jr.............0.....1......2......3......1......17
Colt Brennan....QB.....Hawaii.........Jr.............0.....0......0......5......2......12
Steve Slaton....RB.....West Virginia.So...........0.....0......0......1......6.......8
Ian Johnson.....RB......Boise State...So..........0.....0......1......1......0........5
Dwayne Jarrett.WR.....USC............Jr...........0......1......0......0......0........4
Chris Leak........QB......Florida........Sr...........0......0......0......1......0........3
Calvin Johnson..WR.....Georgia Tech.Jr..........0......0......0......0......2........2
John Beck........QB......BYU............Sr..........0.......0......0......0.....1........1
Ted Ginn Jr.......WR....Ohio State....Jr...........0.......0......0......0.....1........1
Marshawn Lynch.RB....Cal..............Jr...........0.......0......0......0.....1........1
Joe Thomas.......OL.....Wisconsin....Sr...........0.......0......0......0.....1........1
 
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Interesting voting from the guys at CBS online. Quinn tied Laurinaitis for 8th place.

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Player................1st...2nd...3rd...4th...5th...6th...7th...Total

Troy Smith...........4......0......0......0.....0......0......0.....40
Colt Brennan........0......0......3......1......0......0......0.....22
Ian Johnson.........0......1......1......0......1......0......0.....17
Mike Hart.............0......1......0......2.....0......0......0......16
Darren McFadden...0......1......0......1.....0......2......0......16
Steve Slaton.........0......0......0......0.....2......1......1......09
JaMarcus Russell....0......1......0......0.....0......0......0......08
Brady Quinn..........0......0......0......0......0......1......1.....03
James Laurinaitis....0......0......0......0......1......0......0.....03
Ray Rice...............0......0......0......0......0......0......2.....02
 
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BB73;678359; said:
Interesting voting from the guys at CBS online. Quinn tied Laurinaitis for 8th place.

sportsline

Player................1st...2nd...3rd...4th...5th...6th...7th...Total

Troy Smith...........4......0......0......0.....0......0......0.....40
Colt Brennan........0......0......3......1......0......0......0.....22
Ian Johnson.........0......1......1......0......1......0......0.....17
Mike Hart.............0......1......0......2.....0......0......0......16
Darren McFadden...0......1......0......1.....0......2......0......16
Steve Slaton.........0......0......0......0.....2......1......1......09
JaMarcus Russell....0......1......0......0.....0......0......0......08
Brady Quinn..........0......0......0......0......0......1......1.....03
James Laurinaitis....0......0......0......0......1......0......0.....03
Ray Rice...............0......0......0......0......0......0......2.....02
Congratulations Brady, you've finished tied with James Laurinaitis for eighth! :slappy:
 
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At this point, it would be a big surprise it Troy doesn't set the record for the highest percentage of first-place Heisman votes.

My final ranking of players, (Colt Brennan dropped this week, he threw 2 picks and his team lost at home. Also, he's still 1 TD behind Klingler's record, and his passing efficiency rating of 182.8 slipped below Shaun King's record of 183.3)

1. Troy Smith (4th in passing efficiency)
2. Mike Hart (8th in rushing yards)
3. Darren McFadden (5th in rushing yards)
4. Colt Brennan (1st in efficiency and passing TDs with 53)
5. Brady Quinn (14th in passing efficiency)
6. Ian Johnson (1st in scoring - 24 TDs, 4th in rushing)
7. Steve Slaton (2nd in rushing yards - too many fumbles)
8. Ray Rice (3rd in rushing yards)
9. John Beck (2nd in passing efficiency for BYU)

My guess for the Heisman voting, as of today:

1. Troy Smith
2. Brady Quinn
3. Mike Hart
4. Darren McFadden
5. Colt Brennan
6. Steve Slaton
7. Ian Johnson
8. Ray Rice
9. John Beck


I'm still guessing that Quinn, Hart, and McFadden are the other guys that get invited to New York.
 
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buckeyeboy;678373; said:
BB73--any idea what that percentage is?

Reggie Bush set the record last year with 84% of all first place votes.

I know Troy is not receiving two, one from a writer in Tulsa, OK and one from a former Heisman winner, both citing his suspension in 2004. Surprisingly, both voters are voting for Colt Brennan, accused of rape in the CU recruiting scandal, and Ian Johnson, who has been illegally crocheting beanies for charity. :roll1:
 
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These are the % of the actual vote total, compared to a perfect score. I posted this a couple weeks ago after methomps provided this link, but that was several pages back. Everything below, including the note, is from the link.

The info below is from www.stiffarmtrophy.com:

The top 10 biggest winners of the H------ Trophy:

YEAR POINTS WINNER

2005 91.8% Reggie Bush
1998 85.2% Ricky Williams
1993 83.8% Charlie Ward
1968 80.6% O.J. Simpson
1991 75.5% Desmond Howard
1976 75.0% Tony Dorsett
1999 73.8% Ron Dayne
1984 71.1% Doug Flutie
1986 70.3% Vinny Testaverde

NOTE: Other analyses that compare H------ balloting from year-to-year usually rely on the vote margin or the total points earned. However, those methods are flawed. After all, the number of official voters has fluctuated from 500-700 in the 1940s, to over 1200-1300 in the 1950s, to the present 920-or-so since 1988. The best way to analyze "biggest winner" is to examine the points scored, as a percentage of points possible (number of voters times three).
 
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Troy vs. time

How does Smith compare to other Heisman winners?


The No. 1 spot in this final Heisman Watch of the year has been locked up since even before Troy Smith's four-touchdown performance against Michigan. But now that the season's over and Smith's crowning as the "most outstanding college football player in the United States for 2006" is imminent, the question is: How does Smith's season compare with recent Heisman winners' campaigns?

From a statistical standpoint, he ranks alongside '86 winner Vinny Testaverde (2,557 passing yards, 26 TDs), '92 winner Gino Torretta (3,060 yards, 19 TDs), '93 winner Charlie Ward (3,032 yards, 27 TDs) and '04 winner Matt Leinart (2,990 yards, 28 TDs). For Smith's sake, let's hope he turns out better than both Torretta and Ward, whose lack of NFL success (Ward didn't even try to play in the NFL) have made people question, unfairly, their credibility as Heisman winners over the years. To all those who read the Watch this year, I send you my thanks and my condolences. As far as I know, I still have eligibility remaining, so, as long as the boss will let me, I plan to return next year. I hope you will too.

1. Troy Smith, Ohio State, QB, Sr.

Last week: Idle
Season: 199-of-297 passing, 2,507 yards, 30 TDs, 5 INTs; 62 rushes, 233 yards, 1 TD
Heisman-o-meter: Many have e-mailed over the course of the season claiming that Smith is just "the best player on the best team," not the best player in college football. I disagree. Smith has excelled in every aspect I want a Heisman winner to excel: He has been productive against top competition (31 total touchdowns). He has shined in his team's biggest games (585 passing yards and six touchdowns versus only one interception against Texas and Michigan). He has demonstrated superior athletic skills. (Touchdown passes against Penn State and Indiana come to mind.) And, maybe most importantly for a quarterback, he has won. A landslide winner.

2. Brady Quinn, Notre Dame, QB, Sr.

Last week: Idle
Season: 274-of-432 passing, 3,278 yards, 35 TDs, 5 INTs; 79 rushes, 65 yards, 2 TDs
Heisman-o-meter: This column's preseason favorite flopped in the Week 3 loss to Michigan and spent the rest of the season inhaling Smith's exhaust. Still, Quinn had a remarkable year, throwing for 35 touchdowns (second best in the country) versus just five interceptions while often scrambling for his life behind an offensive line that wasn't nearly as nasty as it was last year. But he was 0-2 in the Irish's two biggest games of the season, and that stat is the one that will keep him from surpassing Smith. In April, Quinn will certainly be drafted ahead of Smith, and he may end up having a better pro career than the Buckeyes' quarterback. But being the better pro prospect will have to be Quinn's consolation.

3. Darren McFadden, Arkansas, RB, Soph.

Last week: 21 rushes, 73 yards; 1-of-3 passing, 2 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT; 2 receptions, 27 yards in a 38-28 loss against No. 4 Florida
Season: 265 rushes, 1,558 yards, 14 TDs; 6-of-8 passing, 72 yards, 3 TDs, 1 INT; 11 receptions, 149 yards, 1 TD; 8 kickoff returns, 226 yards, 1 TD
Heisman-o-meter: A number of candidates -- Hawaii's Colt Brennan, Michigan's Mike Hart, Rutgers' Ray Rice, West Virginia's Steve Slaton -- received consideration for the runner-up to the runner-up spot, but McFadden prevailed for two main reasons: his absurd athletic ability and his performance against the toughest defenses in the country. It can be argued that no player this year impacted games in more ways than McFadden, who was a rushing, passing, receiving and kickoff returning back of all trades. And while other running backs can boast having better numbers over the course of the season, none of them went for 145 yards and one touchdown against Auburn and 182 and two scores against LSU. (I'm willing to grade his 73-yard effort in the SEC Championship game leniently since he tweaked an ankle early in the game). If the Hogs can successfully replace three senior starters on the offensive line, McFadden may just be No. 1 on this list next year.
 
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Dryden;678383; said:
I know Troy is not receiving two, one from a writer in Tulsa, OK and one from a former Heisman winner, both citing his suspension in 2004.

When will these fucks learn that it's not a career award, although Keith Jackson says it is...
 
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Notre Dame's own MVP
Quinn may not win award, but he was invaluable to Notre Dame's success


December 5, 2006
By Tom Coyne the associated press
SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Notre Dame coach Charlie Weis thinks he knows who is going to win the Heisman.
It isn't Brady Quinn.
"I think Troy Smith will win, and I don't think it will be close," Weis said.



Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn has already won the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award which is given to the nation's top senior quarterback.
Matt Sayles / The Associated Press

The Quinn file Season stats
Completions - 274-of-432
Completion rate - 63.4%
Yards - 3,278
Touchdowns - 35



That's not a knock on Quinn. Weis has no doubt Quinn is the better quarterback and more valuable to No. 11 Notre Dame (10-2) than Smith is to top-ranked Ohio State (12-0). He just doesn't believe most Heisman voters share that view. Weis thinks the problem is the meaning of the term "most outstanding college football player."
"Troy Smith happens to be the best player on the best team, or the most valuable player on the best team that's undefeated. It's tough to argue with that," he said.
But Weis believes it's hard for anyone to be better than Quinn has been for the Irish. Quinn hit on 274 of 432 passes, a 63.4 completion rate, for 3,278 yards and 35 touchdowns, throwing just five interceptions.
Quinn already won the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, given to the nation's top senior quarterback. He finished fifth in the nation in points responsible for (18.5 a game), seventh in pass completions per game (23.5) and ninth in passing yards per game (273.5). He also led the Irish to comeback victories over Michigan State and UCLA.
"I think what makes him special, that really separates him from a lot of other players, is he has that special something that only those rare quarterbacks have," Weis said. "I can't really explain what that special something is, but he's got it."
Quinn has plenty of tangible qualities as well. He set 35 school records at Notre Dame. He also has brought glamour back to the quarterback position at Notre Dame. His face adorned nearly as many magazines over the summer as a supermodel, and his name has been in the mix as a Heisman candidate all season.
His fourth-place finish in Heisman balloting last season was the highest for an Irish player since Rocket Ismail came in second in 1990. The last Irish quarterback to finish higher was Joe Theismann, who finished second to Stanford's Jim Plunkett in 1970.
Notre Dame used to be a quarterback factory. Angelo Bertelli and John Lujack won Heismans in the 1940s. Paul Hornung won a Heisman for an Irish squad that went 2-8 in 1956. John Huarte started one season and won a Heisman in 1964.
Even Irish quarterbacks who didn't win were well known.
Terry Hanratty was followed by Theismann.
Others included Joe Montana, Steve Beuerlein, Tony Rice and Ron Powlus. But Rice and Powlus never made it in the NFL. When Beuerlein retired before the 2004 season, it left two former Notre Dame quarterbacks still in the NFL: Arnaz Battle and Carlyle Holiday - both finished their careers at Notre Dame as receivers, the position they play in the pros.
Weis has no doubt Quinn will change that. He believes Quinn could be the first Irish player taken first in the NFL draft since defensive end Walt Patulski was drafted by the Buffalo Bills in 1972. The last Irish quarterback taken first was Hornung by Green Bay in 1957.
Quinn acknowledges there were times he wasn't sure he would be successful. Under coach Tyrone Willingham, Quinn's best passing days always came in losses. The Irish finished 5-7 and 6-6 in Quinn's first two seasons.
"When you're hitting lows like that, so far you're halfway through your college career and you're not having the type of career that you thought you were going to have," he said. "We just never really put it together the way we could, and then finally we got a coaching staff and a coach who could come in here and get us to put things together."
The knock on Quinn this year was he didn't live up to expectations. From his sophomore to junior seasons, Quinn saw his completion rate jump from 54.1 percent to 64.9 percent, his touchdown passes increase from 17 to 32 and his passing yardage from 2,586 yards to 3,919.
With a veteran offensive line and returning starters at receiver and halfback, many expected that trend to continue. Quinn did throw for three more touchdowns, but his completion rate dropped slightly to 63.4 percent and his passing yardage dropped by 641 yards. The Irish, who were ranked No. 2 in the preseason, lost two games by 20 points or more, and Quinn threw three interceptions and fumbled against Michigan.
Quinn believes the preseason publicity might have hurt.
"Any time someone is trying to give someone an award before the season starts, even through the whole preseason, All-American teams, all that kind of stuff, it's so premature," he said.
The usually modest Quinn knows that what he has accomplished at Notre Dame should help the Irish in the future.
"Any time you have the quarterback at Notre Dame playing well, I think it's going to be good for college football. It's good for the university. It's good for everything really that the place stands for," Quinn said.
 
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