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High School 2005 Big 33 Game

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Schoenhoft -Gun for an arm,very accurate. Steps up nice in the pocket and can thread the niddle.Very impressed with his footwork when delivering on the run.In the shot gun formation with protection on the edges Rob will pick teams apart.Nerk is right about the fades but he'll have time to work on that that at OSU.
Hartline -Needs to bulk up a little but he's got game and speed .His stride is very long and when he kicks it into gear he's gone.

Amos -looks a little like Chris Gamble build and athletic ability.Makes plays

Robiske-Possession WR all the way,big target.

Wilson -Wanted to see a little more from him tonite,needs more burst from the edge.He tended to go right at the tackle and over power him....needs some better techniques but he's got all the physical tools.

Denlinger -The D-line from what I could tell were going head up which might be the reason Denlinger had a quite game on top of that it might have been set in the rules of no twisting from the D'line which might of hampered his game a little.At OSU things will be different....He's stocky and looks like a gap filler Tim Anderson type...He'll be fine

Spitler-I've seen 2 all-star games that he's played in and I keep thinking of Freddy Pagac Jr.Nice back-up but I just don't see him starting at OSU.He missed quite a few tackles tonite and seemed just a tad slow at the point of attack.
 
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jwinslow said:
they weren't comparing him to Smith. They were saying even the great will smith had a personal foul every once in a while, so this alleged foul on Wilson isn't the end of the world.
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I wasn't saying it was the end of the world. I said it was a boneheaded play, which it was. That said, when they defend this stupid play by referring to Will Smith, they sure as hell are comparing him to Will Smith.

Believe it or not, it is possible to criticize a play by a Buckeye recruit and still be a loyal Buckeye supporter. Call off the cavalry...:roll2:
 
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Ohio extends streak in Big 33

By Jake Trotter

Cox News Service

HERSHEY, Pa. | Buckeye fans, learn the name Robby Schoenhoft.

The future Buckeye and former Cincinnati St. Xavier standout broke the PNC Big 33 Football Classic record for passing yards as Ohio's air attack overwhelmed Pennsylvania's defense in a 34-28 win Saturday night.

Behind Schoenhoft's 267 passing yards and an opportunistic defense that caused six turnovers, Ohio extended its win streak over Pennsylvania to three and evened the all-time series, 9-9.

"To beat all the guys who've played in this game like (Joe) Montana and (Dan) Marino, I don't know what to say," said Schoenhoft of the record.

Schoenhoft, named the Ohio Most Valuable Player, broke the previous mark of 251 yards set by Dave Robbins in 1996. He completed 11 of 20 passes for two touchdowns.

"It's a great honor," he said.

After jumping to a 28-7 lead in the first quarter, Ohio staved off a late fourth-quarter Pennsylvania comeback drive.

Ohio's Brad Jones intercepted Brad Dawson's pass on that drive. But because officials said Ohio was in a zone and not in man-to-man, which violates Big 33 game rules, Pennsylvania was given the ball back.

But Ohio's defense held on and later forced Pennsylvania to turn the ball over on downs.

Pennsylvania converted the game's first play from scrimmage for a score — a 70-yard touchdown on a swing pass from Shane Murray to future West Virginia Mountaineer and Pennsylvania Most Valuable Player Ed Collington Jr.

But Ohio scored 28 unanswered in the first quarter to take control of the game.

On Ohio's second offensive play, Schoenhoft connected on a 74-yard touchdown pass to highly touted Michigan Wolverine signee Mario Manningham to start the first-quarter scoring barrage.

But Ohio's offense struggled in the second half, failing to score and allowing Pennsylvania to crawl back into the game.

"Pennsylvania kept coming back, but our kids hung in there defensively," Big 33 Ohio and Edgewood High School coach Steve Channell said. "We just made plays."

Overshadowed by Ohio's offensive explosion was the performance by Middletown's Andre Amos at cornerback.

"Andre was tremendous," Channell said. "He had a great game locking down on their receivers."

Pennsylvania tested Amos deep several times, but the future Buckeye held his

ground.

"I had a big assignment guarding (Pittsburgh bound Tommie Campbell)," Amos

said. "It felt good to play well."

Amos batted down two consecutive passes in the second quarter that if caught

would have resulted in Pennsylvania touchdowns.

"I told my teammates that I had their back," he said. "It was crazy late,

but we came out and got a big win."
 
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Great job on the updates guys! Worked all night and only got to read your responses this morning. Looks like we're in great shape with the guys we've got coming into camp. I was one of the rooters for Mark Sanchez coming in at QB with Schoenhoft but I am feeling really good right about now with Robbie's play. Lets hope he can keep improving and do well in the classroom.
 
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I wasn't saying it was the end of the world. I said it was a boneheaded play, which it was.
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They never even showed what was called a personal foul on that play, so whether it was a boneheaded play or a crap call to try and keep the Penn team in the game is under question in my mind.
 
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scout.com (free)

7/24/05

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Ohio State signee Rob Schoenhoft completed 11 of 20 passes for 267 yards and two touchdowns to earn MVP honors in Ohio's 34-28 win over Pennsylvania in Saturday's Big 33 Football Classic. Click here for all the stats and comments from the players after the game.
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Whether or not Saturday’s Big 33 Football Classic will be the last one between Ohio and Pennsylvania remains to be seen. But Saturday’s game was certainly an entertaining one.

The Ohio team, which featured eight future Buckeyes, prevailed over the Pennsylvania squad 34-28 before 15,667 at Hersheypark Stadium in Hershey, Pa.

The win was Ohio’s third in a row in the Big 33 series, which is in doubt as game organizers plan to move it to June – in direct conflict with Ohio’s North-South Classic.

Ohio capitalized on six Pennsylvania turnovers. After Pennsylvania scored on the opening play from scrimmage, Ohio answered with four straight touchdowns to go up 28-7. Pennsylvania held Ohio scoreless in the second half and got the lead down to one score. But Ohio held on downs in the final minute – after a controversial officials’ call negated an Ohio interception – to preserve the win.

“I’m glad it’s over,” said Ohio coach Steve Channell of Trenton Edgewood. “It was just a great football game. There was a lot of intensity. That’s the way it should be. We were fortunate to come out on top.”

Ohio quarterback Rob Schoenhoft, set to enroll at OSU, completed 11 of 20 passes for 267 yards with two touchdowns and one interception. He was named as the Ohio team MVP.

“It’s just a great honor,” Schoenhoft said of the MVP honor. “Playing in the game and winning the MVP of this game is a great honor. It’s just unbelievable.

"It's just awesome with all the tradition in this game."

Just as good a story was Ohio wide receiver Brian Hartline, who missed all but one game of his senior season due to a broken leg. Hartline, who rehabbed the injury all winter, made a splash with four catches for 101 yards and a touchdown.

"I really didn't come into the game with any expectations," said Hartline, who saw his first live football action in 11 months. "So I guess it went pretty well."

Other OSU signees in the game included cornerback Andre Amos, defensive end Lawrence Wilson, linebacker Austin Spitler, offensive lineman Andrew Moses, wide receiver Brian Robiskie and defensive tackle Todd Denlinger.

Amos had an interception and at least three pass break-ups. Spitler had eight tackles and caused a fumble. Robiskie had three catches for 40 yards. Wilson had a fumble recovery, five tackles, a pressure that forced an interception and also a key sack on Pennsylvania’s last series of the game. Denlinger had three stops.

Pennsylvania opened the scoring on the game’s first play from scrimmage as Shane Murray dropped a screen for Ed Collington and he rolled 69 yards for the touchdown and a 7-0 lead just 24 seconds into the game.

Ohio answered almost as quickly, scoring in two plays. After a first down to E.J. Morton-Green netted 2 yards, Schoenhoft threw deep down the middle to Michigan signee Mario Manningham on a post route. Manningham beat his defender and rolled for a 75-yard touchdown to tie it at 7-7.

Ohio then took over on its own 5-yard line and drove almost the length of the field in a quick six plays for a score. Schoenhoft completed 4 of 5 passes on the drive. He hit Robiskie for a 27-yard gain, found Javon Ringer for 14 yards on a screen, went to Morton-Green for 24 on a cross and capped it with a nice 23-yard touchdown pass to a diving Hartline to put Ohio up 14-7 with 6:28 left in the first quarter.

"It felt so good," Hartline said. "I didn't know I was getting the ball on that play. The ball was in the air and I just grabbed it out of the air. That's all I did."

Pennsylvania then shot itself in the foot as Murray made a bad option pitch and Ohio’s Nick Simon recovered it at Pennsylvania 16-yard line. Five plays later, Dante Love took went in motion and took a handoff on a reverse and scored on a 5-yard run to put Ohio up 21-7 with 3:32 left in the first.

Things went from bad to worse for Pennsylvania as Murray threw a tipped pass interception that Ohio’s Derrick Stewart returned 50 yards for a touchdown and a 28-7 lead with 3:15 left in the first. Wilson pressured Murray and Ohio’s Bryan Williams tipped the pass up to Stewart.

The screen was big for Pennsylvania once again as Murray dropped one to LaRod Stephens-Hawking and he rolled 78 yards for a touchdown, trimming the gap to 28-14 with 1:26 left in the first.

By rule, Pennsylvania, down 14, got to receive the kick after scoring. This time, Brad Dawson hit Carmen Connolly with a post pass that went 72 yards and cut the lead to 28-21 with 11:46 left in the first half.

But Ohio answered with a seven-play, 69-yard drive. Love, a quarterback at Cincinnati Withrow, took another reverse handoff. This time, he threw deep to Jared Martin for a 48-yard touchdown. Zolton Mesko’s PAT kick was wide, but Ohio led 34-21 with 7:51 left in the first half.

After the teams combined for eight first-half touchdowns, there was just one in the second half as Collington scored on a 1-yard run to cut the lead to 34-28 with 5:46 left in the third quarter.

Pennsylvania had four possessions after that, but the Ohio defense proved to be too tough. Spitler punched the ball away from Murray to cause a fumble at the Ohio 17 late in the third quarter. Williams had an interception of Dawson midway through the fourth quarter.

But things took a controversial turn with 1:54 left after Brad Jones intercepted a Dawson pass. Ohio was flagged for having an illegal formation. The officials claimed that Williams had lined up as a free safety – an illegal position when the offense has one back or goes empty backfield. Channell debated the call with the officials for nearly 10 minutes before play resumed.

By rule, the officials can only penalize the defense after it has previously been warned. Channell claimed the Ohio sideline had never been warned.

At any rate, this is when Wilson came up big with his sack, knocking Pennsylvania back to the Ohio 39. On fourth-and-23 there, Dawson threw deep but Williams knocked the pass away to end the threat with 55 seconds left.

The win gave Ohio a 7-6 edge in the series since it resumed in 1993.

The Ohio coaches association will reportedly have a meeting July 31 to discuss its future participation in the Big 33 Classic.

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I'm disgusted and angry at Penn coach for his actions at the end of the game. His actions with the Penn officials was nothing but "Bush League"! legendary Penn coach Palko was an embarrassment to the Big 33 and Penn!
 
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Some write-ups on the controversial plays from last night.

pennlive.com (excepts copied here)

"The game should have been over when Ohio's Brad Jones intercepted a Brad Dawson pass intended for running back LaRod Stephens-Howling at the Pennsylvania 32 with just over two minutes left.
But as Ohio celebrated Pennsylvania coach Bob Palko motioned over to Big 33 rules coordinator Jim Cantafio, the Wilson head coach.

Cantafio then approached the officials, and after a delay of more than 10 minutes, despite catcalls from the Ohio portion of the 15,667 in attendance, the officials ruled Ohio had committed a rules infraction on the interception.

As a result, Ohio was penalized 5 yards on the play and Pennsylvania got the ball at its 49, where it promptly converted a third-and-16.

Pennsylvania would move to the Ohio 26 before a late sack and a fourth-down deflection by Ohio defensive back Bryan Williams put the game on ice.

Incredibly, game officials ruled Jones was playing zone defense on his interception, a no-no in the Big 33.

But, see, he wasn't.

Ohio had put in a special defense for the game, one that had the 6-2, 200-pound Jones -- a defensive back -- playing linebacker.

On the interception, he had man coverage on Stephens-Howling on the play and broke smartly on the ball to force the turnover.

Afterward, the visitors felt they were unjustly penalized.

"We had worked on that defense all week in practice," Jones said. "I'm a defensive back, but I was a linebacker on that play and I was sitting on that route. They tried to say I was the free safety, but I wasn't. We were really mad."

"The explanation we got was that we were playing zone when we had to be in man," Ohio defensive end Brandon Long said. "I think they just misunderstood the defense we were in."

To his credit, an obviously displeased Steve Channell would not comment on the strange late penalty.

"We were in the right defense and we had practiced all week, but I won't say anything about the officiating," the Ohio head coach said.

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A blurb from the ozone's write-up:

Ohio once again appeared to be heading toward a blowout when Schoenhoft again found Hartline on an apparent 75 yard touchdown play, but that play turned out to be a foreshadow of things to come in the fourth quarter. Officials ruled that Hartline had stepped out of bounds on the 16-yard line, nullifying the touchdown. The Ohio bench was livid, and the replay clearly showed that Hartline was in bounds, but the score was disallowed and the ball placed on the 16-yard line. The drive was then completely nullified when Schoenhoft was intercepted in the end zone. The half ended with Ohio holding a 34-21 lead.
"He wasn't out of bounds," said Ohio offensive lineman Andrew Moses.
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ONN is replaying the game at 2:00 today.


As for the call - tell them to stuff their game. Since resuming the series in 1993 Ohio is 7-6 despite playing 13 straight road gemes. Let's find a state that can play some football and start over.
 
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I'm watching the replay of the game right now and had to post the text of a pregame interview they did with Mario Manningham. Sounds like Ted Ginn Sr. has been coaching him up on the finer points of dealing with the media. :biggrin:


MM: We ain't feelin' no pressure. We just...we all play football. That's what we do. We ain't going to do more than what we can do. We just do what we gotta do to win.
 
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I haven't read through the entire thread, so I will just post what my friends and I's thoughts were on the game...

1. Spitler did not look good to me at all. Hopefully Fickell can turn him into a real LB because last night he looked pretty bad.

2. Amos nees to add a few pounds, but once he does, he is going to be a great corner, in the mold of Youboty. I don't know why PA continued to throw his way last night. If he gave up a completion, I didn't see it (very possible as my Boston friend was making me flip back to the Sox/Sox game constantly last night).

3. Hartline was uber-impressive. He is so fast already and working with Reynolds can only help. I think he is going to be a stud at OSU. I heard someone else say this and I think it is true...he reminded me a lot of Breaston.

4. Manningham is good...there is no way to sugarcoat losing him to scUM.

5. Robiskie is going to be a solid WR at OSU. Great routes + great hands = balls thrown your way on third down.

6. Ringer looked decent, although he needs to learn to lower his head and get up field sometimes.

7. Schoenhoft looked great. If he throws to Martin instead of throwing that pick, he start out the game something like 9/15 with 3 TDs and 0 INTs instead of 8/15 2 TDs and 1 INT. He underthrew most of his deep balls, but his presence in the pocket was good.

8. Denlinger wore a jersey. That's about all I can remember about him last night.

9. Wilson is a freak. Not being able to stunt or slant limited his game, but he was still applying pressure every time he was in the game.

10. Ramella looked about as bad as Spitler did to me.

11. Mesko was unimpressive...and that is an understatement.

12. Can you imagine what Lenix and O'Neal would have done in this game? Scary...

That's all I can think of right now...I was thoroughly impressed with the talent OSU is getting, save the little hiccup that Spitler had last night and during the North/South game. I'm sure he could turn into a solid LB at OSU, but I hope Laurinaitis at least has a leg up on him coming into Fall camp.
 
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wadc45 said:
1. Spitler did not look good to me at all. Hopefully Fickell can turn him into a real LB because last night he looked pretty bad.
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i'm thinking that b/c he had to play man up it slowed down some of his aggresiveness against the run. he definately didn't stand out. i would have felt better if i saw him making a couple tackles in the backfield.


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2. Amos nees to add a few pounds, but once he does, he is going to be a great corner, in the mold of Youboty. I don't know why PA continued to throw his way last night. If he gave up a completion, I didn't see it (very possible as my Boston friend was making me flip back to the Sox/Sox game constantly last night).
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youboty played at amos's weight year before last. i think he can get by with his size now but our weight program will get him where he needs to be. most impressive buckeye on the field IMO.


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3. Hartline was uber-impressive. He is so fast already and working with Reynolds can only help. I think he is going to be a stud at OSU. I heard someone else say this and I think it is true...he reminded me a lot of Breaston.
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breaston is a good call. i love watching those long striders. i also see a skinnier version of robert smith. anyone know what hartline's hurdles time was vs. teddy gone jr's?
 
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