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'07 Bucks to mirror '02 Bucks?

i think your underestimating exactly how good the 02 team really was.

offense:
wrs: even without ginn and gonzo, i think our 07 crew will be better. i really like the brian's and small could make a big impact with more playing time. jenkins is better than anyone we have now, but the depth tips the scales.

oline: 07 has a shot at being just as good. on paper, the talent is there. but don't forget about hartsock on the 02 squad. one of the best te's we've had imo. nicol has the talent, but until proven otherwise... gotta give the 02 group the nod. talent alone isn't enough, you really have to see an o line come together as a group to properly judge its ability. definite advantage 02.

rb: clearly 07. clarrett was a phenom. is beanie better? *shrug* again... on paper the talent's there and im really impressed by what i have seen. but what really seperates the 02 and 07 squad is depth. depending on what pitt does, we will have increadible to solid depth with the well's twins guaranteed to be back and possibly pitt.

qb: ginormous question mark. both boeckman and show have displayed talent on the field in games. but neither has played 4 quarters. no way no how can you put either in craig's league at this point.


defense
dline: we loose pitcock, patterson and richardson as well as some important backups on the dline. some of the young guys getting limited playing time are going to have to step up HUGE to be in the 02 squad's league.

lb: there are some losses, but the core remains. this group has a good shot of being just as good as 02. maybe better.

cb: mj and washington will have another year under their belt. i think this group has all the ability in the world. id be very happy if they pair up to play as well as the gamble/fox duo. but honestly, i expect them to be better. this could be the best cb crew since winfield/plummer. edge 07. i think it's extremely debatable because right now 02 is better, but with the amount of experience and based on what they have shown on the field, this should be a serious strength.

s/ss: again, this should be one of the strengths of our d next year. i think o'neal is progressing well. with russell back next season i expect these two to play very well. but doss and nickey left some very big shoes to fill. i think they are a year away from being at that level. as far as next year is conscerned, 02 is better.

speacial teams
even if ginn came back, id be extremely impressed if the 07 group proved to be better. ginn is a better returner than gamble. but its hard to expect anyone to be better than groom and nuge... :p

next year is definitely a reload year. but i don't expect us to be the odds on fav for the big 10, let alone the nc. but i really think people are overlooking what krenzel, the special units, the dline, as well as doss and nickey broght to the 02 squad. theres talent and intangibles there that are extremely difficult to duplicate.
 
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We'll know a lot more when we know who stays and who goes pro early. You take Ginn, Gonzo and Pitt out and next years SR class is down to 7 guys and looking around for who will provide leadership. 2002 had 13 SR's and they had tremendous leadership in Nickey, Doss Peterson Wilhem etc.

Also, as already mentioned, the strength of the 02 D was right up the middle (DT and S) both will be question marks going into '07. No matter what DT will be inexperienced and thin. Some here place a lot more faith in moving DE's to DT than I do.

One similarity will be at RB if Pitt goes pro. We will be a 1 man show and an injury away from a big drop in talent(no disrespect to the other Wells or any recruits but thats just how it is).

Hoping any QB who hasn't taken a snap yet will be as good as CK is setting yourself up for disapointment imo. Troy has made some forget how damn good a college QB Krenzel was.


All in all I'm thinking 9-3/10-2 type year in 2007 and a title caliber team in '08 when we will be a SR laden, experienced, deep and immensley talented team.
 
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Jaxbuck;684723; said:
One similarity will be at RB if Pitt goes pro. We will be a 1 man show and an injury away from a big drop in talent(no disrespect to the other Wells or any recruits but thats just how it is).

this is the only part i think you and i disagree on. well's light, imo, is worlds better than ross. i don't see him as being a feature back. but i think he will be a solid #2 guy next season. if he puts on another 10 or so pounds and keeps his speed... he might turn out to be pitt 2 the revenge. i think he has a lot of potential yet and his best days at tOSU are still ahead of him.

All in all I'm thinking 9-3/10-2 type year in 2007 and a title caliber team in '08 when we will be a SR laden, experienced, deep and immensley talented team.

i said the exact same thing to a coworker a week ago :p
 
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martinss01;684710; said:
offense:
wrs: jenkins is better than anyone we have now, but the depth tips the scales.


Can't agree with you there bro.

MJ was clutch but not a gamebreaker...maybe if he played with Smith and this WR corps I'd feel differently, but to me, Robiskie himself is a clone of MJ.

Nice problem to have though eh?
 
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Interesting comparisons, but that '02 defensive line was DEEP. There were a lot of unsung heroes who just did a superb job of freeing up others to make plays. The big issue for the '07 team (other than QB obviously), will be who steps up at those DT spots. And, I'm not just talking who starts, it's the whole rotation. Now the good news is, is that the development of next year's D-Line is occurring during these 50 something days of practice leading up to the national championship game (man, I just love typing that :biggrin: ).
 
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I know I'll probably get flamed for this... but, given the situation at DT and the great depth we have at LB, does anyone think we'll experiment with a 3-4 base?
JT has shown to be versatile in offensive scheming, but how married are Heacock and Fickell to the 4-3?

Just askin'...
why do people continue to type after these famous words?
 
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martinss01;684733; said:
this is the only part i think you and i disagree on. well's light, imo, is worlds better than ross. i don't see him as being a feature back. but i think he will be a solid #2 guy next season. if he puts on another 10 or so pounds and keeps his speed... he might turn out to be pitt 2 the revenge. i think he has a lot of potential yet and his best days at tOSU are still ahead of him.

You'll get no argument from me there. I wasn't for an instant comparing MoWells to Hall or Ross. Just that there will be a HUGE talent gap if Beanie gets hurt and Pitt is gone just like there was in '02. Not a slam on MoWells, C Wells is just that good.
 
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808 Buck;684747; said:
Interesting comparisons, but that '02 defensive line was DEEP. There were a lot of unsung heroes who just did a superb job of freeing up others to make plays. The big issue for the '07 team (other than QB obviously), will be who steps up at those DT spots. And, I'm not just talking who starts, it's the whole rotation. Now the good news is, is that the development of next year's D-Line is occurring during these 50 something days of practice leading up to the national championship game (man, I just love typing that :biggrin: ).

Not necessarily. There are only 3 scholarship DT's with eligibility after the NC game. Recruits will have to be thrown in the mix next year to have any decent rotation and they can't be counted on. There is no way around DT being thin and green next year no matter how talented Denlinger and Larimore may be. We'll take some lumps up the middle in '07.
 
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We'll take some lumps up the middle in '07.

Yeah, I'm not doubting that. In terms of preparing for next year, I was thinking along the lines that if any of the DE's are moving inside, that they would start taking some practice reps at the DT spot. Somebody, in fact, a bunch of somebodies, will have to step up inside.
 
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I think the guy that needs some love is Hartline.

With Robo and Gonzo getting the better corners and double teams Hartline is going to be open all day long. I also think that Dukes steps up huge next year.

I am not ready to discount the little Wells just yet, but he just hasnt shown me that he can run the ball in traffic. I really hope that he proves he can do so next year.

I also think that Boeckman is going to handle the job just fine...
 
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BuckeyeNation27;684782; said:
You called what? That I would ask why you continue to type after that? That isn't exactly flaming you, chief.

Snide OT commentary ... flaming ... we're splitting hairs here.

Though, since you did respond, I would appreciate your opinion on the actual question -- even if it's just to say it was a stupid question to begin with.
 
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osugrad21;684736; said:
Can't agree with you there bro.

MJ was clutch but not a gamebreaker...maybe if he played with Smith and this WR corps I'd feel differently, but to me, Robiskie himself is a clone of MJ.

Nice problem to have though eh?

best problem ever! :biggrin:

i was going to try and justify my point. but the more i thought about the things jenkins did verses what robo has done... the more i have to acknowledge you might be right. the only tangible difference i could even come up with was that jenkins did it every game against the best corner the opposing d had. robo... probably not every game, but has done so against several d's #1 this season.

in my mind that gives him a "slight" edge. but certainly not enough to support an arguement. wow... ive really been spoiled by the wr core and the things they have achieved on the field this season!

completely agree jaxbuck.
 
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