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You morphed from the distinction between science/faith into my personal beliefs. I absolutely deny the existence of god, but that has nothing to do with the definition of science. Really not sure why you can't separate the two. Which theory is that, that Noah's flood created the grand...

I don't disagree, but again the debate was on the purpose of science. However, at the end of the day, even most scientists agree that science does not adequately explain things such as where we came from, where we go when we die, the existence or non existence of a god. No, that is not the...

Unintentional honesty? Ok. You do know of course I didn't invent the word "science"; define its purpose or populate the profession? You also understand that mathmeticians, physicists also attempt to explain certain things without presuming a supernatural cause? You do understand also that many...

You guys are so prepared to go on the defenisive when you percieve someone is questioning the validity of your faith that you don't even stop to figure out what you are responding to. The only point, and one that is really beyond dispute, is that faith and science are not the same thing. You...

With all due respect, science and faith are NEVER the same thing. That's not to say that the two do not coexist. Obviously they do. But science seeks the natural explanation for things, and depends upon objective verification to assume some measure of validity. Faith is the polar opposite. I...

That science does not assume either the existence or non existence of god. Scientific theories or explanations are based upon verifiable evidence. I'm guessing that the majority of scientists do in fact believe in a higher power, but don't make that belief an assumpion upon which a scientific...

Pretty dumb since you know that's not what I said. Try again if you want to make a legitimate point.

A fundamentalist questioning whether someone else is too firmly entrenched in dogma to consider opposing views? I had to chuckle at that one. If a theory first requires you to accept the existence of god before accepting the science attached to it, it isn't science at all. Stated...

And that is somehow different than the inordinate amount of time believers lecture atheists about our lack of faith? I have yet to see atheists going door to door trying to bring people to our side.

Jurors in Ohio are warned not to quickly express their position on the issue once deliberations begin for the very reason that it is human nature to try to hang onto a position once you have stated it publicly. People are more likely to consider alternate views if they haven't yet gone on the...

Not to take this discussion in the wrong direction, but "presumed innocent" is one of the more widely misused references to american law. It means nothing more than the state has the burden to prove your guilt, versus the law of many countries in which the accused has to establish their...

“You see Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.” “Peter, looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately.” “Well, I wouldn't exactly say I've been *missing* it, Bob.”

Perhaps you are right. Plus, it would be pointless to offer anything more as GoBucks already knows better than I do what I'm trying to say. :wink2:

That was the only point I was making: through power or influence, attempting to enforce your religous views on others. It is not a new concept, and in no way limited to terrorist groups. As to your other points, it is certainly possible to oppose gays, or abortion for reasons other than...

No where did I say they were "equivalent." Please re-read the post I was responding to. It referenced the problem associated with individuals justifying their thinking or their behavior on their religous beliefs. Beliefs which we all can agree can never be verified in this lifetime. Terrorists...

In reality, you can remove "organized" from your point and it would not change a thing. And when that "justification" merges with power, you have the things such as the inquisition, terrorism, and to a lesser extent, the christian-right of america today.

No, the rule is that he can't go pro until three years after his class graduated. The early grad thing won't help him.