WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[MightbeaBuck]

...but measuring them by wins is like measuring MLB pitchers by wins. Why does the QB get credit for a good defense?

They don't give the catcher or the outfielder's win-loss stats. "Johnny Bench, catcher, with an eighteen and seven record against..." It's one of the most important parts of a pitcher's record - seasonally AND lifetime. MLB pitchers win (and lose) games moreso than any other single position.

Just as football quarterbacks win (and lose) games moreso than any other single position. Except for special teams, they are involved in every play. If a team wins it is usually directly attributable to the quarterback and his play (ball-handling, passing, reading, running, etc.) By the same token, if a team loses, it is usually directly attributable to the quarterback and his play.

For further arguments see here http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/buckeye-football/21933-qb-all-21st-century-team.html

or the best arguments, here http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...test-buckeye-quarterback-please-vote-two.html

 

[k2onprimetime]

so hes not gonna have surgery? i hope his knee heals so he can start workouts...

 

[JBaney45]

Just as football quarterbacks win (and lose) games moreso than any other single position. Except for special teams, they are involved in every play. If a team wins it is usually directly attributable to the quarterback and his play (ball-handling, passing, reading, running, etc.) By the same token, if a team loses, it is usually directly attributable to the quarterback and his play.

Besides defense..in which they aren't involved at all :p

Their is way too much attributed to the QB, I mean handing off the ball counts as involvement? If that's the case should the center be judged on wins and losses because he snaps the ball every play?

You obviously need a quarterback who can make plays and limit mistakes, but it's a team sport for a reason. No one is buying that Ken Dorsey is one of the top 50 qb's to ever play college football, yet his record was outstanding because he had a great team. On the same note we've seen great qb's never take their team to the promised land because of the team around them.

Again, Ken Dorsey put together one of the greatest all time records as a starter, if he played for Indiana does he have anywhere remotely close to the same record? Nope, arguement should be ended here :p

 

[scooter1369]

They don't give the catcher or the outfielder's win-loss stats. "Johnny Bench, catcher, with an eighteen and seven record against..." It's one of the most important parts of a pitcher's record - seasonally AND lifetime. MLB pitchers win (and lose) games moreso than any other single position.

Just as football quarterbacks win (and lose) games moreso than any other single position. Except for special teams, they are involved in every play. If a team wins it is usually directly attributable to the quarterback and his play (ball-handling, passing, reading, running, etc.) By the same token, if a team loses, it is usually directly attributable to the quarterback and his play.

For further arguments see here http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/buckeye-football/21933-qb-all-21st-century-team.html

or the best arguments, here http://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/...test-buckeye-quarterback-please-vote-two.html

July 2004 Randy Johnson in a stretch of 3 games pitched 22 innings, allowed 2 ER, 29 strikeouts, and went 0-1 with 2 no decisions for his effort.

August of the same year in another 3 game stretch he pitched 24 innings, allowed 3ER, 39 strikeouts and went 1-2 for his efforts.

Just a tad of run support and he's 6-0 in those games easily. I hate using win/loss as a way to judge a pitcher. He pitched 6 gems and got one stinking win for it. That's like going on a six game tear throwing for 350 and 4 TD's and losing every game. Can't blame the QB. He did his job.

 

[Zurp]

That's like going on a six game tear throwing for 350 and 4 TD's and losing every game. Can't blame the QB. He did his job.

How many pick-6's did he throw?

(Just kidding. I actually agree with your point.)

 

[Sportsbuck28]

I love Terrelle's performance in the Rose Bowl... but I have concerns over how it will translate to next year.

For the most part, we see a lot of teams in the B10 playing some kind of zone (whether it's a cover 4, 3, or 2), and Oregon is the first team we've faced with Pryor that primarily blitzed and played man coverage, and soft man coverage at that. The first play of the game they went with a zone and he almost threw a pick, and the majority of his completions came against man coverage. I think TP made a lot of progress from where he was at in November to where he was in the bowl game but I just have concerns, not trying to be a negative nancy here though.

 

[notfadeaway]

I love Terrelle's performance in the Rose Bowl... but I have concerns over how it will translate to next year.

For the most part, we see a lot of teams in the B10 playing some kind of zone (whether it's a cover 4, 3, or 2), and Oregon is the first team we've faced with Pryor that primarily blitzed and played man coverage, and soft man coverage at that. The first play of the game they went with a zone and he almost threw a pick, and the majority of his completions came against man coverage. I think TP made a lot of progress from where he was at in November to where he was in the bowl game but I just have concerns, not trying to be a negative nancy here though.

Your concerns are valid but it SHOULD be a lot easier to throw against a zone compared with throwing against cover 1. In zone you know where the bubbles are....

 

[MUBuck]

Your concerns are valid but it SHOULD be a lot easier to throw against a zone compared with throwing against cover 1. In zone you know where the bubbles are....

First, if a QB always knew where the bubbles in the zone were, why would a defense even consider running it? Defenses don't just play a cover 2 all game long, they mix it up to keep the QB guessing.

Second, if you're throwing against a cover 1, it's because the D is either double-teaming somebody or blitzing. If they double-team Posey, which is almost always Pryor's first read, there's a good chance TP throws a forced ball. If they blitz, that usually bodes well for us because of Pryor's ability to escape.

Sportsbuck, I'm with you. It's all got to come together this off-season, and I think there's a good chance it will.

 

[Sportsbuck28]

Your concerns are valid but it SHOULD be a lot easier to throw against a zone compared with throwing against cover 1. In zone you know where the bubbles are....

Cover 1 is easier to beat than a straight up zone... especially when the corners are backed off 8-10 yards leaving the slant open underneath. A good hard stem of the route and it should be around a 6-8 yard gain at minimum.

Knowing where the holes are is one thing... but a lot of times it may look like say a cover 4 pre-snap and then it becomes cover 2 after the snap, plus in order to hit those holes in the zone the QB and WR's have to be on the same page with route adjustments, seeing the same things, etc.

To be fair, TP did complete several passes against a zone... one play I remember vividly is he and Posey being on the same page and Pryor hit Posey as he cut right underneath the WLB dropping into a hook-to-curl zone on a cover 4.

 

[zincfinger]

Not knocking Pryor, or any other QB, but measuring them by wins is like measuring MLB pitchers by wins. Why does the QB get credit for a good defense?

The difference in my mind is that, in baseball, there's another stat which is clearly better at measuring the pitcher's standalone excellence: ERA. There really isn't a good analog for that most-useful-stat in football/quarterbacking. I'll take a low ERA pitcher over a higher ERA pitcher, regardless of winning percentage, any day. There's no single stat for a quarterback that I think measures his effectiveness in a comparable way. In addition, the immeasurable leadership quality of a quarterback is far more important than the leadership quality of a pitcher. A pitcher can be a miserable SOB that everyone on his team despises, but if no one can hit him, it really doesn't matter a great deal. A quarterback, in contrast, has to have the ability to lead, and I'm not sure there's any way to measure that other than the very imperfect method of looking at winning percentage.

 

[jlb1705]

I'm confused. Is Pryor going to pull a Reverse Bauserman and play for the Pirates?

 

[svrnblk]

Terrelle did a nice dunk tonight at halftime of the basketball game!

 

[ThisIsMyUsernam]

Terrelle did a nice dunk tonight at halftime of the basketball game!

Wish they'd have shown it on TV!

 

[Buckskin86]

OSU notebook: Pryor's left knee can handle a dunk
Thursday, February 4, 2010
By Ken Gordon
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

Terrelle Pryor's knee can't be injured too badly, judging by the dunk he threw down last night.

The football team was honored at halftime of the men's basketball game. On his way off the court, the Ohio State quarterback leaped and jammed home a dunk to the delight of the crowd.

"That's just vertical. That ain't nothing," he said, sheepishly.

Pryor suffered a partial year of the posterior cruciate ligament in his left knee last October but played through it in the final three regular-season games and the Rose Bowl.

Coach Jim Tressel said yesterday that Pryor recently consulted the OSU medical staff about it.

"We had three weeks where our guys were in working out on their own and, at the conclusion of that, he still just wasn't feeling 100 percent," Tressel said. "So he went in for a little further discussion and, from what I gather, it's just something that's going to have to heal up.

"It's nothing that has to be attended to surgically. We began workouts (on Jan. 25), and he's been fine."

Asked whether he needed surgery, Pryor said, "I don't think so, but I've got to check back with (doctors) on Friday."

OSU notebook: Pryor's left knee can handle a dunk | BuckeyeXtra

- Tressel said QB Terrelle Pryor is still bothered by a partial PCL tear suffered last season, but there seems to be no long-term concern. Surgery is not in the plans, just rest. But Pryor was worried enough about it to recently huddle with team trainers and doctors.

Tressel on 2010 class, Pryor's knee (Blogging the Buckeyes)

 

[Redhawk]

Terrelle Pryor of Ohio State Buckeyes undergoes right knee surgery - ESPN

Ohio State quarterback Terrelle Pryor underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right knee earlier this week.

Team spokeswoman Shelly Poe confirmed to ESPN.com that Pryor had a routine arthroscopic procedure and should make a speedy recovery. The team said the surgery was successful and expects Pryor to be back to 100 percent before spring practice, which begins April 1.

Pryor revealed before the Rose Bowl that he had been dealing with a partially torn posterior cruciate ligament in one of his knees. The quarterback indicated the injury was in his left knee, though this weeks procedure was performed on the right knee, Poe said.

Pryor told reporters last month in Columbus that his knee was still hurting and he planned to have it re-examined by doctors.

Pryor comes off the best performance of his career in the Rose Bowl, passing for 266 yards and two touchdowns and rushing for 72 yards in a win against Oregon.