QB/WR Terrelle Pryor ('10 Rose, '11 Sugar MVP)

[OmahaBeef]

If he saw the complete inability of PSU to develop QBs it can only be good.


As far as when and where Pryor might play - and not that such a discussion isn't getting way ahead of itself - but if there are doubts he can pass Henton and Schoenhoft on the depth chart why are people talking as though he is the cornerstone to this class?

You can be a cornerstone to a recruiting class without being a starter as a sophomore, especially as a QB. As already mentioned, making the switch from high school to college as a QB isn't like doing it as a running back. You really have to understand everything thats going on around you to be able to run an offense with a level of competency. However, like I guessed in another post on here, I wouldn't be suprised to see him used before he is the true starter.

 

[SNIPER26]

BPI

Pennsylvania High School Football BornPowerIndex As of 10/28/2007

How the heck are we eighth??????????We've got one D-1 recruit the past 5 years, and he's a rapist.

 

[SNIPER26]

He will spend his time learning the system at practices and playing
2011

Heisman Trophy. Sets single season records. Another great Ohio State season. Declares eligibility for NFL Draft. Plays basketball again through January to the end of the March Madness. Does not attend the combine, and instead gets his workouts done after basketball is finished. First round draft pick in football and basketball.

That is how his career will go at Ohio State. The way I see it, we are fair to every player on the squad at Ohio State (To be honest, this is how I see each player developing, period. Schoenhoft will be ready to start in his 5th year at tOSU, and he will have earned it. Never been impressed with Henton), and Pryor showcases his ability in both football and basketball.

Good to see you've got modest expectations for him

 

[Emperor Brutus]

I have also been wondering how/when we're going to use him. I'm just not sure that he'll be able to start in front of Schoenhoft in the '09 season. Robbie will still have another couple years of experience under his belt (red-shirt senior) and I think it will be hard to start a true soph over Robbie. No one doubts Schoenhoft's physical talents, he just needs to mentally put it together which I hope he will be able to do over this season and next. However, seeing as how Robbie and Tyrelle should be totally different types of QBs, maybe we'll see a QB rotation with Tyrelle earning more playing time as the season progresses.

I?m trying not to come off as a jerk, but the kid?s name is on the title of the thread, we should try to spell it correctly.

 

[naptownbuck]

(not to hijack the thread,but..)

Perhaps more importantly, Penn State has a terrible track record of developing QBs. Zack Mills peaked as a freshman, Michael Robinson now plays RB in the NFL, and Morelli is just a mess. From my limited understanding about recruiting, and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I've gathered that a school's ability to help a recruit potentially reach the league is the number 1 factor for most prospects.

I see your point about the lack of development,but Robinson is a bad example. First and foremost,there job is to mold them into successful college QBs,not pros. PSU's problem was that they misused him. He shined in his one complete season as the starter.

 

[ScarletBlood31]

I think that, if he comes to tOSU, he is definitely the starter by 2009. With whatever he does his freshman year (possibly a Leak-Tebow situation that Florida pulled off, with Boeckman), I think he would be the starter once Boeckman leaves. Unless Henton really shows us something, I don't think there's anyway you keep a guy as talented as Pryor on the bench, even in his second year.

 

[OmahaBeef]

I?m trying not to come off as a jerk, but the kid?s name is on the title of the thread, we should try to spell it correctly.

My bad. I wasn't sure how to spell it so I thought I copied and pasted from one of Mili's posts or someone else I thought would be spelling it right. I'll fix it.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

I hate to get involved with projecting what highschoolers may do 4 years from now but after watching the clips... Henton is a great talent, and after a year or two in the system could win us a lot of games and maybe even be all bigten by his senior season... a fairly rare feat for an tOSU qb.. I really like Henton. Pryor... is Pryor. If he were to develope to even close to his potential, he could become some NFL teams franchise QB after being drafted in the top 3.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

(not to hijack the thread,but..)



I see your point about the lack of development,but Robinson is a bad example. First and foremost,there job is to mold them into successful college QBs,not pros. PSU's problem was that they misused him. He shined in his one complete season as the starter.

This may be true, but PSU's last namebrand QB was Kerry Collins, who might be too old for Pryor to even remember him as a pro... Terrelle can at least look at Troy Smith as an example of an "ATH" who was cultivated first into an effective dual threat QB and then into a Heisman-winning QB. That's a good recent example of QB development - not to mention all of the attention that Boekman is now receiving.

Even if you don't believe that OSU is the best at developing QB's, you have to believe that QB's thrive in the offensive system under Tressel. With the variety of plays, the variety of weapons and the strength of the OL, tOSU is one of the best places for a QB prospect to play right now, even if you're not drinking the Kool-Aid.

 

[naptownbuck]

To clarify I was only speaking to mross' using Robinson as an example when he aluded to his position switch in the NFL. Considering that he started at WR/RB at PSU I think he developed into a good college quarterback. I obviously agree that tOSU is the place to be for a player of Pryor's caliber,

 

[jwinslow]

I see your point about the lack of development,but Robinson is a bad example. First and foremost,there job is to mold them into successful college QBs,not pros. PSU's problem was that they misused him.

I'm not sure I follow. How is it a bad example? He gave 3 straight examples as well if that was merely an outlier.

He shined in his one complete season as the starter.

More as a runner than a true QB imo. Pat White has developed into a bigger star than Robinson, but I don't think either is a very encouraging example of QB development.

 

[BrutusBobcat]

Take a step back. First of all, it's far easier for a RB to come in and do well like Beanie did last year than it is for a QB so don't make that comparison, please. Secondly, Henton may not be a human highlight reel but neither is Boeckman. It's going to come down to who is more prepared and I'd bet on that person being Henton.

Edit- I have to chuckle at this "What's next?" mindset we all seem to have. Wasn't it just this past off-season that people were clamoring for Henton to start because he was a Troy Smith clone?

You may be reading a tone that isn't there. I wasn't being a smart ass -- I was genuinely asking if he had seen Pryor's clips. It wasn't clear from his post what he was basing his opinion upon. No offense was intended, and I don't believe that any stepping back is needed.

As far as the RB comparison, I agree that RB projects better than QB, the Pickle being exhibit A. The comparison I was making was athletic dominance at their current level. Pryor's clips impress me in the same way that BWells did.

It does take time for a QB to develop, however, so having a year in the program is a decided advantage. Tell me -- if you think that Henton has a leg up due to one extra year in the program, then can you explain why you think (presuming that you do) Henton has the edge over Robbie Schoenhoft?

I'm going to guess that his athletic potential is a part of that, which is perfectly reasonable.

(FWIW, I wasn't one of the people clamoring for Henton to start. )

The "what's next" mentality is kind of the idea in the recruiting forum, isn't it?

 

[BrutusBobcat]

Wow.

If Pryor would have been a freshman in '06 he would have had "superior physical tools" than Troy but you really think Troy wouldn't have started?

Apples, meet oranges.

Troy was already the established starter at the end of the 2005 season and was entering his fifth year in the program, so no. Todd Boeckman is the established starter now, also five years into the program (counting greyshirt) and given how he has played this year, I don't expect in any way at all that Pryor would start over him in Fall 2008. It is as unlikely as the scenario you posted.

When August 2009 rolls around, Rob Schoenhoft will be entering his fourth year in the program, Antonio Henton will be entering his third, Joe Bauserman will be entering his third as well, and Pryor will be entering his second. Pryor will have as good a shot at starting as any of the other QBs.

 

[naptownbuck]

I'm not sure I follow. How is it a bad example? He gave 3 straight examples as well if that was merely an outlier.
More as a runner than a true QB imo.

Pat White has developed into a bigger star than Robinson, but I don't think either is a very encouraging example of QB development.

Bad example because the guy came in as in ATH,and actually did something at Penn State. It is not like he played right away as a freshmen like Mills. I am not disputing PSU's lack of "name" qbs,or that he didn't have an adequate enough game to play in the pros. When you consider PSU's developmental problems it is something that they got him to the level of a solid,effective college QB ,who was successful.

I see where you're going, but i'm not speaking prototypically. Is Eric Crouch an example of bad development? He was effective,as is Pat White. These are good qbs imo,can't say the same for Mills or Morelli.

 

[jwinslow]

Well Pryor's potential rides largely on his athletic ability (more than his arm), and most will be disappointed if he is nothing more than a journeyman until his 5th year. I think you could classify Pryor as an ATH, like Troy was coming out of HS. Both have potential at QB (with different hs skillsets), but are not polished enough to start from day 1 like others are supposed to (Clausen, Stafford, etc).

I think the two of us have different definitions of the word QB. Robinson, White & Crouch are not good passers, they are more or less superior athletes playing the QB position. They make some plays with their arm, but largely make plays with their feet. Crouch barely reached triple digits in pass att (105) and threw more interceptions (10) than TDs (7).

I always considered it a negative criticism of Pryor when general recruitniks said he'd fit better at WVU. To me, that suggests that his raw fundamentals are better suited for a system where he can run around and make easy dumpoff passes, and not be forced to become a true dual threat QB who can beat you with his arms and legs.