WR Jalin Marshall (Edmonton Elks)

[Poe McKnoe]

Might not be a bad rule, but what happens when Mr. Irrelevant or someone else fradted in the 240th-250th complains they should be reinstated because they didn't know they'd go so low. Part of the college experience is making your own life decisions and having to live with the consequences...you know, like the "real world".


"Slaves"? Give me a break. The NCAA allows them to leave early if they want, allows them to transfer if they want, and for the schools to educate, [Zeke], and house them at no cost. They also have an informal alumni support network not available to non-athletes for after they graduate/leave school. As I said in my reply to Max above, it's their decision and they have to live with it.

I disagree with the first part and agree with the second part.

I could quit my job tomorrow and if the company I was going to folded, I could at least try to get my old job back. Coming back hurts nothing, except maybe an ego.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Thomas posted abysmal numbers and went in the middle of the second. There is absolutely no reason Jalin couldn't take over the No 1 receiver role and get 800 yards. Heck he could hit the 1000 mark as the only receiver coming back. His targets would likely double. Jalin is a little faster, but a little smaller. I think he's a better natural athlete than Thomas. He's just more raw. Jalin only played 2 freaking seasons and played QB in high school, you don't learn all you can from a staff this good in 2 seasons. He wasn't even shifted to true wideout until a few games into last season. In spring ball he was playing primarily h back and slot. He still had a lot to learn about intricacies in the position. College may not be the same for an athlete, but it's still a place to learn and get ready for you're career.

I'm assuming you're referring to Michael Thomas.

1. His numbers weren't abysmal. He had 2 solid years of production in a run-heavy offense.
2. Mike, at 6'3" 212 lbs, still ran a faster 40 than Jalin.
3. Despite having some of the best WR skills in the draft, Mike still slid to the 2nd round so not sure why you're so shocked by me thinking a slower, much smaller WR who hasn't displayed nearly the same ability as Thomas wouldn't go in the first 3-4 rounds.

I said he could still get drafted if he came back but 5'10 and 4.6 WR's don't get taken in the top 3 rounds unless they are elite at everything else. But you do you....

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

I'm assuming you're referring to Michael Thomas.

1. His numbers weren't abysmal. He had 2 solid years of production in a run-heavy offense.
2. Mike, at 6'3" 212 lbs, still ran a faster 40 than Jalin.
3. Despite having some of the best WR skills in the draft, Mike still slid to the 2nd round so not sure why you're so shocked by me thinking a slower, much smaller WR who hasn't displayed nearly the same ability as Thomas wouldn't go in the first 3-4 rounds.

I said he could still get drafted if he came back but 5'10 and 4.6 WR's don't get taken in the top 3 rounds unless they are elite at everything else. But you do you....

I agree that 5'10 4.6 average receivers don't get drafted. He didn't, and I wasn't expecting him to. I'm saying 5'10 4.6 receivers with some sort of elite skill get drafted in the 2nd/3rd. Jalin is a baller and more than one year playing receiver could home that into an elite skill. Would thomas have been drafted after one year at his position? Today you are correct in that jalin was not drafted. Perhaps if he played as a freshman at receiver and continued at it for 3 years he would have been drafted.

 

[osucollegebuck]

So tragic seeing him reduced to camp fodder...what an absolute amazing talent.

 

[greyscarlet]

As urban would say this is the outcome of a long series of events and reactions; the only thing that matters now is how Jalin reacts.

 

[RugbyBuck]

Is there something in the Rumor Mill on this? Not trying to gossip about a player, but there has to be some legitimate backstory. His leaving just doesn't make sense otherwise and, as has been stated, it makes even less sense now.

 

[flybuckeye]

Is there something in the Rumor Mill on this? Not trying to gossip about a player, but there has to be some legitimate backstory. His leaving just doesn't make sense otherwise and, as has been stated, it makes even less sense now.

It doesn’t make sense in retrospect of not getting drafted, but prior to the draft I assume that he didn’t think is draft stock would go much higher coming back for another year. He may have more production next year, but his measurables won’t change much and he’s still been at WR/PR for 3 years. He probably assumed he’d get picked 5th round and make a team and start getting paid now, instead of coming back for another year and maybe getting picked 4th round. It’s not like he has all the measureables and needs to come back another yr to improve on blocking, route running, etc. to become a 1st round pick.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I'm saying 5'10 4.6 receivers with some sort of elite skill get drafted in the 2nd/3rd.

Feel free to provide some examples.

I'll give you one of my own:

Player	Height	Weight	40-Yard	Shuttle	Round	Pick #
Julian Edelman	5' 10"	198 lbs	4.52 sec	3.91 sec	7th	232
Jalin Marshall	5' 10"	200 lbs	4.60 sec	4.13 sec	UDFA	UDFA

So Edelman and Marshall are basically the same guy - same height, same weight, both are former QB's with raw receiving skills who did/will begin their NFL careers as punt returners. Edelman got drafted because he had slightly better athleticism*, no off-the-field concerns, and one team believed in him enough to burn a 7th-round pick on him.

5-foot-10 WRs with average speed aren't exactly a rare commodity. Like Edelman, Jalin now has a chance to distinguish himself from the pack. The rest is up to him.

*EDIT: The gap between a 4.52 forty and a 4.60 forty may seem slight, but over the 40 yards it amounts to a difference of 25 inches, or just over two feet. If we use Jalin's pro-day 40-time of 4.68, the difference over forty yards increases to 49 inches, or just over four feet. Football may or may not be a game of inches, but it's definitely a game of four feet.

Jalin is a baller and more than one year playing receiver could home that into an elite skill.

What do you mean by "elite skill" exactly? Running routes? Catching the ball? Not fumbling? There are lots of big, fast guys who can do all that.

 

[TampaBuckeyes]

Feel free to provide some examples.

I'll give you one of my own:

Player	Height	Weight	40-Yard	Shuttle	Round	Pick #
Julian Edelman	5' 10"	198 lbs	4.52 sec	3.91 sec	7th	232
Jalin Marshall	5' 10"	200 lbs	4.60 sec	4.13 sec	UDFA	UDFA

So Edelman and Marshall are basically the same guy - same height, same weight, both are former QB's with raw receiving skills who did/will begin their NFL careers as punt returners. Edelman got drafted because he had slightly better athleticism*, no off-the-field concerns, and one team believed in him enough to burn a 7th-round pick on him.

5-foot-10 WRs with average speed aren't exactly a rare commodity. Like Edelman, Jalin now has a chance to distinguish himself from the pack. The rest is up to him.

*EDIT: The gap between a 4.52 forty and a 4.60 forty may seem slight, but over the 40 yards it amounts to a difference of 25 inches, or just over two feet. If we use Jalin's pro-day 40-time of 4.68, the difference over forty yards increases to 49 inches, or just over four feet. Football may or may not be a game of inches, but it's definitely a game of four feet.


What do you mean by "elite skill" exactly? Running routes? Catching the ball? Not fumbling? There are lots of big, fast guys who can do all that.

Edelman is a very different example. He played quarterback for 4 years in college, never was a receiver so he really had no tape. It would have been like braxton if he didn't get injured and played his 4 years at QB and gave WR a shot, or Denard (even though the measurable are different). Jalin has 1 year of playing H Back and 1 year of receiver, in which he was good-not-great.
So what is the point you are trying to get at? I feel like I'm in an argument that I don't know what I'm arguing against. I'm just trying to say another year of college likely would have improved his route-running, fumbling issues, body positions, core strength and worked on reading DBs better, worked on reading zone defenses and finding a soft spots. All of those things are items besides size and speed that make a receiver elite. I don't think he maxed out any of his potential in those areas. Are you disagreeing with that?

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Edelman is a very different example. He played quarterback for 4 years in college, never was a receiver so he really had no tape. It would have been like braxton if he didn't get injured and played his 4 years at QB and gave WR a shot, or Denard (even though the measurable are different). Jalin has 1 year of playing H Back and 1 year of receiver, in which he was good-not-great.
So what is the point you are trying to get at? I feel like I'm in an argument that I don't know what I'm arguing against. I'm just trying to say another year of college likely would have improved his route-running, fumbling issues, body positions, core strength and worked on reading DBs better, worked on reading zone defenses and finding a soft spots. All of those things are items besides size and speed that make a receiver elite. I don't think he maxed out any of his potential in those areas. Are you disagreeing with that?

1) You said that 5-foot-10 WRs with 4.6 speed and "elite skill" get drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round. Who, exactly, would be on that list? Feel free to cite as many examples as you'd like.

2) If you are a 5-foot-10 WR, then part of your "elite skill set" had better include a sub-4.5 forty time, or you're not going to get drafted high (or at all). Another year in college wasn't going to get Jalin's forty time to drop from 4.68 to 4.48.

And as I said before, there are plenty of big, fast guys who can play the WR position - in your words: "route-running, fumbling issues, body positions, core strength and worked on reading DBs better, worked on reading zone defenses and finding a soft spots." Even if Jalin could improve in those areas, why would an NFL team take a chance on a smaller, slower prospect when there are plenty of bigger and/or faster prospects to choose from?

3) Edelman is actually an excellent example, because he was able to learn the WR position much quicker than Jalin and at a much higher level (NFL vs college). Jalin has already had three years to learn WR - why hasn't he become better at all those nuances of the position that you mentioned? How much more would he learn in one more season?

 

[Smudger]

 

[ScriptOhio]

Ohio State's Jalin Marshall making a name for himself with Jets

You’d be hard-pressed to find a player that enjoyed a better offseason than New York’s undrafted rookie out of Ohio State. Stashed on the bottom of the Jets’ depth chart, Marshall flashed time and time again during OTAs and minicamp and was starting to see first-team reps by week’s end.

There was speed, agility displayed by Marshall that allowed him to separate from defenders. When the ball was thrown his way, he didn’t drop a pass. There was also versatility, as he took reps returning both kicks and punts.

For all intents and purposes, Marshall looked like he belonged. That, believe it or not, may take many by surprise.

Entire article: http://jetswire.usatoday.com/2016/0...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[NFBuck]

Good for Jalin. I thought he made a HUGE mistake coming out, and going undrafted seemed to validate that opinion, but maybe he can carve out a nice career for himself.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Awesome seeing the Middletown guy doing his thing!

 

[RB07OSU]

Rewatching the playoff games in '15, his highest stock was then. Forgot how instrumental he was in winning that title. Wish he was back this year but I'm hoping he tears it up this year in the pros.