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Woman dies in ER lobby as 911 refuses to help

OCBucksFan;864273; said:
This story is all over the news here. Apparently she was laying on the floor of the emergency room vomiting, the hospital had someone come out and clean the vomit up but still didn't have anyone check her out. The hospital is somehow trying to blame this on the un-insured people saying that the are over burdened, interesting spin, but I don't think it will work for em.

30% of those who enter the Social Security Disability system will die during the 24-month waiting period for Medicare health benefits. Why have the waiting period? We save money by trimming the field. That's not a slant on the issue, it's the actual reason cited by all those who defend it. It's cheaper to let some die.

This woman? Deamonte Driver, the 12-year-old boy in Maryland who died from an untreated abscessed tooth that spread to his brain? The others who die totally avoidable ridiculous deaths every day in this great advanced society of ours? Eh. They're barely human anyway. They're uninsured, which means they're headaches and liabilities. They end up using ERs as primary care facilities, creating backups and strains on the system -- because they often have no other alternatives.

For all the outrage by individual policy makers in these cases, the truth is that they participate in a system that places a higher priority on profit than life. That woman and Deamonte wouldn't have amounted to anything anyway, the thinking goes.

...with liberty, and justice, for all.

Tibs is spot on though. While the media will make it sound like the 911 operators were as 'wrong' as the hospital, they handled it properly, even if their attitude may have been flawed.

The hospital? Honestly? I don't see why there shouldn't be a criminal suit based on manslaughter at the least, second degree murder at worst. From the triage nurses, to the administrators on during that time -- charges should be (but likely won't be) filed. Were that a well-heeled white woman, this would be a different story, but only because she wouldn't have died to begin with.
 
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Clarity;864361; said:
The hospital? Honestly? I don't see why there shouldn't be a criminal suit based on manslaughter at the least, second degree murder at worst. From the triage nurses, to the administrators on during that time -- charges should be (but likely won't be) filed. Were that a well-heeled white woman, this would be a different story, but only because she wouldn't have died to begin with.


Great post btw.

Well, there's also the question of the other people waiting, theres been a lot of discussion as to a video of this. Something that won't be aired but apparently exists, where people ignored her, did their crossword puzzle and what not. It's disturbing to say the least, but in our current "me first" society it's not at all surprising. However, there was an incident a couple years ago where some people watched a woman be murdered on the street and they ended up in a legal battle, no idea how that turned out.

Either way, with all the press that's been on this issue something will happen, I think some people will be fired and a few lawsuits with the possiblity of the hospital being closed. But really, what does closing the hospital accomplish? It doesn't help the situation at all, in fact it makes it worse...
 
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OCBucksFan;864368; said:
Either way, with all the press that's been on this issue something will happen, I think some people will be fired and a few lawsuits with the possiblity of the hospital being closed. But really, what does closing the hospital accomplish? It doesn't help the situation at all, in fact it makes it worse...

Some folks should be fired, but rather thrown in jail for negilgent homocide. The hospital should pay and pay dearly. And if the hospital closes, big fucking deal...they obviously just ignore dying patients anyway.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;864591; said:
Some folks should be fired, but rather thrown in jail for negilgent homocide. The hospital should pay and pay dearly. And if the hospital closes, big fucking deal...they obviously just ignore dying patients anyway.

it would take A LOT to shut a hospital down. a decent sized hospital has hundreds of millions wrapped up into it.
 
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Jeffcat;864643; said:
it would take A LOT to shut a hospital down. a decent sized hospital has hundreds of millions wrapped up into it.
OK - possibly off by an order of magnitude, but probably close to what the lawyers know as the ultimate fiscal pain threshold is for the hospital.
 
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sandgk;864645; said:
OK - possibly off by an order of magnitude, but probably close to what the lawyers know as the ultimate fiscal pain threshold is for the hospital.

the hospital would still probably just walk away with an unnoticable scratch. since it is not something that malpractice insurance will cover they can turn it right back upon the employees that were viewed doing whatever and sue them until their homeless and be compensated. that is if the hospital is even the one that will be taken to court in the long run.
 
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