Golferdow01
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What's your point? Teams are not allowed to hiccup? Do you know basketball or are you just trying to provoke an arguement?
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What's your point? Teams are not allowed to hiccup? Do you know basketball or are you just trying to provoke an arguement?
crazybuckfan40
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Easy for a Duke fan to say.:tongue2:
But really I was just frustrated, and all, not really at the fact we had more fouls and blah blah blah, just the fact that we were partly taken out of our game b/c the refs wouldnt let us play our style of play.
But who cares. We are still a good team and a loss is a loss, suck it up and come back out and win the next one.
I also hate the charge call in college bball. They really need a ring like the pros. There are way too many and I swear that the refs just go off the flip of a coin in their head half the time.
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Funny how people can be riding the teams jocks 6 hours ago, then after a loss on the road to a team that has lost like 2 Big 10 games at home the past few years, so many are on here moaning and whining.Disgusting.:dead:
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Funny...I'm sure he feels the same way, given the relentless criticism he receives from faceless halfwits who likely haven't the first clue as to what it's like to play college basketball.
6 for 13, 14 points, six assists to one turnover and solid defense all night...but you try to draw a foul and tank the shot with no whistle, and you're a fucking dog. Incredible.
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Buckeye513
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Are we supposed to be happy that, after being up by 9 at the half, a Wisconsin team that averages 73.2 PPG put 50 on us on 20 minutes? I'm not.
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happy? no. but a reality check shouldn't be out of the question... how many teams do they face that have as little size as OSU?
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Of course not. I think the point he's trying to make is that this loss was neither embarrassing nor entirely unexpected. It wasn't a huge upset. We didn't play our best basketball, and you can't afford to slip up on the road against a team like the Badgers. Nobody likes to lose, but this isn't a backbreaker. There are still a lot of teams in the Big Ten who would love to have our resume right now.
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smitty03
Somebody's Heine' is crowdin' my icebox...
How many boards did Sylvester have, im sure not too many? (edit: I just checked he had ONE.) Or how about when he came crashing in recklessly two times in a row crawling over peoples back, with tOSU already over the limit with a couple of minutes left? He was called for one foul and should have been called for the other.
And, how can you say he played good defensively tonight? Have you ever seen him play defense in the paint? NO, because he doesnt. He never rotates over and hardly ever even puts his arms up with a man driving through the paint. He does a decent job pushing bigger guys out of the paint, but once they are in there, forget about it.
He had 4 lay-ups tonight. Besides his 3 pointer and that goofy ass shot he put up, he shot poorly again.
Obviously I am not a Sylvester fan. He makes horrible decisions that leave you scratching your head time after time. (A good example would be him crawling over people's backs tonight. Dont even try to call that being aggresive. He had no position and had no chance to get either rebound. He has to know the situation and know that the team is over the limit on fouls.) You may not like my opinion, but several other people agree. I am not pulling this stuff out of my ass.
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crazybuckfan40
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You can't win them all. You are going to have moments of brillance and moments were you are out to lunch.
That is the reality of college bball.
And once and for all can we stop the sylvester criticsm. He is one of our own, lets show him the respect he deserves. We all know his stregths and weaknesses no reason to beat a dead horse.
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I don't think I've ever known an Ohio State athlete as widely maligned as Syl. Maybe Bellisari...don't know. Either way, those who dislike him continue to find ways to shit on him (layups aren't good, I guess), and those who don't continue to give him credit for all the things he does well (20 assists in his last four games). I could sit here and argue that not all college 4s are your prototypical black hole, glass-crashing, Greg Brunner-type bangers, but I won't. Honestly, I don't know why I bother reading this shit at all. I guess I keep coming back hoping to find pragmatic optimism instead of worthless, 'Monday morning quarterback' commentary from people whose opinions lose every shred of relevance once they're spit out onto a page.
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I thought he did a great job passing the ball. He did a pretty good job scoring, but not great. I don't think he was that good on D today... and down the stretch he made some major mistakes (the over the back plays were not something you'd expect from a senior). The poke was pretty dumb, and he seemed to acknowledge that as he looked at the bench after the first one. The attempt to dunk probably should have been a foul.
I don't think the guy was awful, but I really wonder what games you are watching to come on here and act as tho he was outstanding.
I think he played a solid game, and then had some serious trouble down the stretch. Heck, Dials played a whale of a game and also stumbled down the stretch (dropped rebounds, missed 5 footers, getting stuffed, etc).
his hips were facing the bench, he rushed the shot, and high fived the defender after the ball was released. The complaints may be a little over the top, but there was no excuse for that shot IMO. Had he put the defender in the air, or taken it inside (and not horizontally), I could probably buy the drawing a foul argument. The following possession (after they miss and we kick the ball out of bounds for them), Sylvester gets burned badly by Nixon off the dribble. A few possessions later he is very late getting out on Nixon's three.
I don't think the guy was awful, but I really wonder what games you are watching to come on here and act as tho he was outstanding.
I think he played a solid game, and then had some serious trouble down the stretch. Heck, Dials played a whale of a game and also stumbled down the stretch (dropped rebounds, missed 5 footers, getting stuffed, etc).
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Thank you. We went on the road against a team that has maybe the best home court advantage in the Big Ten. Am I upset that we ended up losing after a 9 point lead? Of course, but like vrbryant said this wasn't totally unexpected. I really didn't like our chances going in. There is bound to be a let down after a couple HUGE wins. Now we regroup, and hopefully lay the smackdown to NW before heading up to play in East Lansing. Bottom line is, as I said a page back, this team is playing at a much higher level than most of us expected this season. We can roll into the postseason turney's with some good momentum, and our style of play may just set us up for a very nice run a year ahead of expectation. Bottom line is, tOSU is no longer just a football school; Coach Matta is lining us up to become the national power we should be on the hardwood. The future is bright for Buckeye Basketball.
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I saw all the same things you did, and I had absolutely no intention of posting anything at all on this thread until I realized that the prevailing sentiment was that he played a poor game. I have never and I'm not now saying he was outstanding. Like anyone who has ever played basketball (or any other sport for that matter), he has bad stretches and he has good stretches. My one and only beef is that for whatever reason, people scramble for their keyboards during the former, and are basically mute during the latter. I could plop down here after most games and pick at Kel for his iffy ball handling, at Terence for his inability to pass out of double teams or for his painfully slow outlet passing, at J.J. for his offensive decision making around the rim, at JBut for his sporadic passing, at Ivan for his refusal to try and draw fouls, at Ron for his spotty defense, at Twigs for his reluctance to play with his back to the basket, at Mayes for making one handed stabs at and not coming to meet the ball on passes, and yes, at Syl for being too focused on trying to get his offense going early and for not giving 100% on the defensive side of the floor 100% of the time. But why would I? Is anyone listening? Anyone that matters?
It makes sense, I suppose. Fans hate mistakes. Fans sit at home and grab their TiVo remotes and slo-mo the fumble, the missed shot, the dropped ball. They sit there and say, "What the hell is that guy thinking?" They look at their equally inconsequential friends in disbelief and then they waddle over to their computers to find validation in the words of strangers.
And they do. People agree. People somehow find a way to get 'fed up' with players, and manage to work themselves up enough about it to take the time to put it in writing. And this is just basketball. I don't care enough to pay attention to the football boards, because on Saturday afternoons after the game, I'm busy getting drunk with friends because I know I don't have to be up early the next morning. I can't begin to imagine the bile that gets spewed over one of those games. ...or can I?
And for what? Because you have to 'let it out', I suppose. You're just so worked up about it, and somewhere, deep down, you think you have something poignant to say. Something really important that people will read and say, "God, I'd never thought of that before. How enlightening." So it gets written, and it gets read, and it gets logged and archived and forgotten almost immediately, just like this little rant will.
I get worked up too. It's true enough. I get home from a game and whatever follows and hop on here and peruse the discussion, as I said, hoping I'll find a reasonable account of the game--'pragmatic optimism' as I put it. Inevitably, though, that's not what I find. I get worked up, then, because I know that whatever criticism a player or coach gets is going almost entirely unchecked. You won't find Sylvester or Matta on here explaining to people why things happen, whether a 'bad pass' was actually the receiver's fault, or how a 'dumb shot' was really just great defense on a designed play. Don't misunderstand - I'm not saying that mistakes don't happen. And I'm not saying that any of the ones to which people have been referring weren't just straightforward fuck-ups. But who really cares to speak in a player's defense? How few are there that actually care that players, and their families, can read? That they know that places like this exist, and are - in all likelihood - standing at the outskirts watching, while all of their suspicions about fans are confirmed? I can tell you, this happens. I've heard the frustration, the anger, and the inevitable, "Don't worry about it. It doesn't matter what they think." And it's true, that last part. It doesn't matter what we think or say here. It's really just as pointless to wax poetic about Kel's shot, how he makes a mile out of the inches of space he gets, or his amazing instincts on defense. About how Terence and Sully can be so wonderfully emotional at times, and the leadership they bring. About how JBut is starting to just ooze confidence, and how infectious that is. About Ron Lew's amazing first step, Harris' dead-eye shot, Twigs' hustle, Mayes' raw, undeniable skill. Or about Syl's coolness under pressure, his passing chops, or the fact that he can sneak up while you're not looking and take over a game. All that praise has just as little consequence as all of the aforesaid criticism. That's why I don't say it, either. At least not unprovoked. I'll reiterate my second sentence here: I've never said Sylvester is an outstanding player. I'm quite sure he is not, in fact, outstanding. He's had outstanding moments, and even some outstanding games. And like every other player on every other roster of every other team that plays every other sport, he's had moments - maybe even many of them - that were decidedly not outstanding. Ultimately, however, I'd just assume not focus on them. I like this team and I like Sylvester. There's not a player on that squad for whom I don't wish success. At the end of each game, whether we win or lose, I think primarily of one thing: Who we're playing next. Because I can't wait to watch.
At any rate, I'm not trying to tell anyone to change. If anyone here knows me at all, they know that I absolutely despise censorship of any kind and that I wouldn't propose for a minute that people be nice for the sake of being nice. Actually, a considerable part of my personality takes pleasure in tearing into people for saying things I find disagreeable. So tee off, I say. That little quirk notwithstanding, the real message behind this post/novel is that nothing here changes anything. Nobody here is going to find themselves on Matta's speed dial, taking nightly calls and dishing out little nuggets of wisdom. Nothing written in this space has any more staying power than a mustard burp. Momentarily tangy, then lost in the air. With any luck, this post will kill the thread, and a new and equally arbitrary discussion will kick up in the next game thread. Maybe by then I'll have learned my lesson.
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2/16/06
WISCONSIN 78 | NO. 12 OHIO STATE 73
Buckeyes run into wall at Kohl
Badgers gang up on Dials, maintain mastery at home
Thursday, February 16, 2006
Bob Baptist
THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH
ANDY MANIS | ASSOCIATED PRESS Ohio State’s Je’Kel Foster, standing, and Wisconsin’s Ray Nixon try to gain possession of the ball.
MADISON, Wis. — Winning in Crisler Arena at Michigan, which the Ohio State men’s basketball team did last week, is one thing.
Winning in the Kohl Center at Wisconsin, where hardly anyone in the Big Ten does, is something else, something none of the OSU seniors had ever experienced.
The Badgers made sure the Buckeyes headed home with that familiar empty feeling last night, getting 27 points from Alando Tucker and 20 second-chance points to win 78-73.
It was Ohio State’s fifth consecutive loss at Wisconsin since a two-point win in 2000.
"I don’t care about wins here. The thing is we fell out of the race in the Big Ten. That was the most important thing coming in here," center Terence Dials said. "I wanted to get a win just to stay atop the Big Ten, and we failed to get that done."
The loss, which ended a four-game winning streak, dropped the 12 thranked Buckeyes (18-4, 7-4) to third place in the Big Ten standings behind Iowa and Wisconsin.
Dials led Ohio State with 24 points despite foul trouble that sidelined him for the final 6:11 of the first half. But he did not score in the final 12:38, when Wisconsin began shading a weakside defender toward him whenever he got the ball in the paint.
"I’m thinking this is a night I could score 40 points if they keep playing defense the way they were," Dials said. "To their credit, they stepped their defense up a little bit and the shots I was getting early on weren’t as easy in the second half."
The Buckeyes, who made 28 three-point baskets in wins over Michigan and Illinois, didn’t have the firepower on this night to make the Badgers pay for their preoccupation with Dials. They made a season-low four three-pointers in 17 attempts as Wisconsin for most of the game chose to defend the arc rather than the inside.
"They were due to miss some shots some game," Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan said. "I’m glad it was ours."
Wisconsin (18-7, 8-4) improved to 6-1 at home in conference play this season and 37-2 in Ryan’s five seasons as coach. Both losses were to Illinois the past two seasons.
Ohio State led by nine points at halftime, but Wisconsin steadily reduced its deficit as Kammron Taylor became more aggressive on the point and Tucker was almost unstoppable inside after he sent J.J. Sullinger to the bench with his third foul a minute into the second half.
Taylor and Tucker scored 24 of the Badgers’ first 29 points in the second half, and a free throw by Tucker with 7:26 remaining evened the score at 57 — the first time Wisconsin had not trailed since the score was tied at 14 in the game’s first 10 minutes.
Then it was Ray Nixon’s turn. The overlooked senior guard, getting open looks because Buckeyes defenders were concentrating on Tucker inside, scored 10 of the Badgers’ next 12 points. After Ohio State regained the lead 64-59 with 5:10 remaining, Nixon scored five straight points to tie the score again. His three-pointer from the top of the key with 2:25 left broke the next tie and put the Badgers ahead for good 69-66.
Jamar Butler, who had 17 points for Ohio State, made two free throws to cut the margin to one with 2:10 left. But the Buckeyes got no closer, as Dials had a shot deflected inside by Tucker on the next possession and Ron Lewis and Matt Sylvester missed three three-pointers on the next two.
"Wisconsin made the plays they needed to make down the stetch, which is a credit to them," OSU coach Thad Matta said. "We had our opportunities.
With Wisconsin’s help, we at times lost our composure at both ends of the floor."
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