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BuckeyeNation27;1477215; said:
The Rangers are the best team in the NHL every year. They just get screwed by the refs and they aren't motivated enough, so when they lose...it's because they didn't play up to their potential.

This time you missed one thing:

When they lose it's also because their whiny fans didn't post enough negative crap on a message board to get the reverse-hex thing to work.
 
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actually I kinda thought Wings played pretty well considering they can't win a face off to save their lives right now unless it's Zetterberg and even he had a bad night.

Glad to see I've attracted the interest of no less than 3 mods. Funny. Anyway, sorry about last night everyone. Taken in a vacuum everything that was called was a legit penalty. The problem I had was taking things in that vacuum instead of remembering the non-calls (and yes they went both ways)....

But the reverse-hex will still happen. I don't care if it's viewed as negative or whatever. If this team was as hard-nosed as it is talented these series would be over in 4 or 5 games each series. Instead they are a team that, if pressured consistently, will get into a 'float' mindset where they play along the boards or try to go 4 or 5 on 1 with the puck. Anaheim did this and came within 2 minutes of taking a game 7 to Overtime. Columbus usually did that during the season but I think being in the franchise's first ever playoff was too much to overcome and Chicago doesn't play that style at all. Pittsburgh is trying to do it but doesn't quite have the defensive depth to do it all of the time but it MAY be enough to throw the Wings off.
 
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jimotis4heisman;1477522; said:
the flyers are still in it?

You are bringing up my past of liking every team, ever. I was an ignorant child.

Speaking of the Flyers though, fuck Scott Hartnell. Their fans probably think they deserve to be there and that they could be beating the Wings 3-0.
 
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actually I kinda thought Wings played pretty well considering they can't win a face off to save their lives right now unless it's Zetterberg and even he had a bad night.

Glad to see I've attracted the interest of no less than 3 mods. Funny. Anyway, sorry about last night everyone. Taken in a vacuum everything that was called was a legit penalty. The problem I had was taking things in that vacuum instead of remembering the non-calls (and yes they went both ways)....

But the reverse-hex will still happen. I don't care if it's viewed as negative or whatever. If this team was as hard-nosed as it is talented these series would be over in 4 or 5 games each series. Instead they are a team that, if pressured consistently, will get into a 'float' mindset where they play along the boards or try to go 4 or 5 on 1 with the puck. Anaheim did this and came within 2 minutes of taking a game 7 to Overtime. Columbus usually did that during the season but I think being in the franchise's first ever playoff was too much to overcome and Chicago doesn't play that style at all. Pittsburgh is trying to do it but doesn't quite have the defensive depth to do it all of the time but it MAY be enough to throw the Wings off.
do you want to be a mod so you can realize how unimportant it is? jesus.
 
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3074326;1477097; said:
Not having points does not = playing poorly.

Only if you're the goalie, or your name is Bob Gainey. Crosby's been marketed as the next great one since he was playing in juniors, if he totally disappears in the cup finals, he's gonna hear about it. A first line center is expected to produce more than one secondary assist in three games, no matter who they are. High profile players get criticized for dogging it in the playoffs every year, even when their teams win. I agree that his linemates haven't been helping much, but his set ups haven't been that great. His passes don't have any touch, and many times he just throws it up for grabs towards the net. I don't see how anyone could say Crosby has been playing well over the last three games.
 
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..and I don't see how anyone can say he's been playing poorly. He's doing about as good as you can do with the best defensive forward shadowing his every move, and a Lidstrom/Rafalski pairing playing against him every time he touches the ice. He's making plays. He's made some pretty nice passes. Not all of them have been perfect, but he's been playing pretty decent hockey.

Crosby plays at both ends (except on the first Wings goal in game 3) and he controls the puck in the offensive zone. He's pretty much playing as well as you can without being on the score sheet.

I'd argue that he's playing better hockey than Malkin.
 
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jimotis4heisman;1477197; said:
good to see the too many men on the ice was an automatic call last night. they cycled the puck for half a minute with 6 skaters and then skated off.... explain that one collie

I love this picture. How can the NHL even explain this...

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Sort of tough to explain a ref missing a call when he skates right by one and the other ref is looking right at the 6th man as he leaves the ice.
 
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3074326;1477700; said:
..and I don't see how anyone can say he's been playing poorly. He's doing about as good as you can do with the best defensive forward shadowing his every move, and a Lidstrom/Rafalski pairing playing against him every time he touches the ice. He's making plays. He's made some pretty nice passes. Not all of them have been perfect, but he's been playing pretty decent hockey.

Crosby plays at both ends (except on the first Wings goal in game 3) and he controls the puck in the offensive zone. He's pretty much playing as well as you can without being on the score sheet.

I'd argue that he's playing better hockey than Malkin.

He's the second highest paid player in the league; has already won a Hart, Ross, and Pearson; is captain of his team; and is being pushed as the face of the NHL. The expectations for him are about as high as they get, and he's falling flat on the biggest stage. No shit, he has to play against the opponent's best defenders, every #1 center in history has had to do that. I've seen players like Forsberg, Jagr, Hull, Sundin, Sakic, Fedorov, etc. get lambasted in the press for having a bad series, I see no reason for Crosby's shortcomings to be excused away. Weren't most Pens fans complaining about Malkin when he had a couple cold games? Now we're supposed to believe that his 5 points vs. DET are worth less than Sid's pretty skating? "The Next One" needs to light up the scoreboard big time, and probably win a game singlehandedly, or else the biggest off season topic will be how he stunk up the ice in the finals.
 
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I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. He hasn't fallen flat on his face. He's done pretty damn well in the playoffs two years in a row. He has 61 points in 25 playoffs games. He played well in the finals last year. Again, just because he's not getting points doesn't mean he's not helping the team. He plays good defense, creates opportunities, controls the puck, and controls when the Wings' best forward plays. Zetterberg's goal right now is to stop Crosby. The Pens need the other lines to step up more. Any intelligent Penguins fan would've told you that before the series, and I'm sure you knew that. Crosby's usual point contributions would obviously be awesome, honestly, I didn't expect him to have a big series. I expected Malkin to have a big series, and really think the team needs the Staal line to contribute more offensively if they want to have a shot.

If history repeats itself, which it tends to do, he will get his points. "Falling flat" is far too harsh if you've watched the games. Kunitz and Guerin have both missed some pretty nice passes/hit the post. Crosby does need to capitalize on his opportunities better. That I'm not arguing. But falling flat on his face? Far from it. He's still quite obviously the most talented player on the ice most of the time.
 
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