Win or Lose: It's Wisconsin's Doing

[Bernini]

Minny needs to quit trying to strip the ball and just tackle. They are letting Wisconsin get a few extra yards each time they try to force the fumble.

Letting, or is John Clay making them look stupid? The fact is the latter occurred. He's dominated every drive he's been afforded the football.

 

[SEREbuckeye]

Letting, or is John Clay making them look stupid? The fact is the latter occurred. He's dominated every drive he's been afforded the football.

Agreed, Clay is a beast, but man up and tackle. Its not like the lead is unsurmountable. Load the box and take of him when you sense it will be a draw up the middle or around the edge.



its okay Minnesota...We will take care of Wisky for ya. Want us to steal ya the axe too?

 

[SEREbuckeye]

Are you a Minnesota fan, because it doesn't seem like that would be the case from your user-name. You looked at everything from their perspective. If anybody beat themselves, it was Wisconsin. They have shown the tendency to self destruct down the stretch in every game this season. Minnesota nearly lost to Cuse and Air Force. They're not good enough to control their own destiny.

Looking forward to the game next week against the Buckeyes. Wisconsin certainly can win that ballgame. The Badgers are a problem for OSU even in down years, which this one is not. John Clay can be very difficult for anybody to stop, as we saw today. Minnesota knew the Badgers would run the football, but it didn't matter. He's stepped it up in almost every big game in his short career.

Of course Im not a Minny fan, but I give them hella-props for battling it out with Wisky. Yes, Wisconsin is a VERY good football team, but c'mon give the Gophers some credit for making it a close game when they could have easily let it been a route when down more than 2 scores. I refuse to slurp up Wisconsin and leave Minny out to dry.

Not once have I taken anything away from Wisconsin and I have said in previous posts - if you read them - that yes Clay is a beast. Clay is likely the #1 RB in the Big Ten (remains to be solidified until we are at least halfway through conference play).

 

[Bernini]

Of course Im not a Minny fan, but I give them hella-props for battling it out with Wisky. Yes, Wisconsin is a VERY good football team, but c'mon give the Gophers some credit for making it a close game when they could have easily let it been a route when down more than 2 scores. I refuse to slurp up Wisconsin and leave Minny out to dry.

Not once have I taken anything away from Wisconsin and I have said in previous posts - if you read them - that yes Clay is a beast. Clay is likely the #1 RB in the Big Ten (remains to be solidified until we are at least halfway through conference play).

Cool. It was just curiosity as to why the posts were all in that direction, and I wanted to make a couple things clear. Sure, Minnesota deserves credit for having heart, and they just wouldn't go away, in addition to Wisconsin shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly.

(To which you should have watched the game with me, because it would have been quite the experience. You would probably be questioning my sanity, but the psychosis is lifted after that 3 or 4 hour window, and I return to being one of the most level headed human beings about sports or any subject.)

However, most things went right for them, unlike Brewster is perceiving right now, and they still lost. And Clay deserved more credit for his success than Minnesota for their failure to stop him. I just wanted to make sure I got both those points across.

Good/bad luck next week. :)

 

[jwinslow]

but c'mon give the Gophers some credit

That's not how he rolls in game threads.

 

[SEREbuckeye]

Cool. It was just curiosity as to why the posts were all in that direction, and I wanted to make a couple things clear. Sure, Minnesota deserves credit for having heart, and they just wouldn't go away, in addition to Wisconsin shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly.

(To which you should have watched the game with me, because it would have been quite the experience. You would probably be questioning my sanity, but the psychosis is lifted after that 3 or 4 hour window, and I return to being one of the most level headed human beings about sports or any subject.)

However, most things went right for them, unlike Brewster is perceiving right now, and they still lost. And Clay deserved more credit for his success than Minnesota for their failure to stop him. I just wanted to make sure I got both those points across.

Good/bad luck next week. :)

Points are certainly taken brother.

I take it your a Wisky fan? If so, stay safe and Good Luck/Bad Luck to you too man. lol.

 

[Bernini]

That's not how he rolls in game threads.

I've detected you've had an issue with me for a while because you try and play Devil's Advocate about things I say frequently, and I'm not sure where that motivation stems from. I look at things almost solely from a Wisconsin perspective, and make comments that support the Badgers, when deserved, but that doesn't preclude me from being fairer than most fans, which I think I am. You know, if Wisconsin has shown a tendency to blow sizable leads, and have done so multiple times, while the other team not the tendency to comeback, well, I think it's pretty clear who should be assumed to more so cause the occurrence.

If I made a comment 9 months ago to rub you the wrong way, well then I don't think that's fair to bring into every conversation from that point forward as a means of refutation.

 

[jwinslow]

I've detected you've had an issue with me for a while because you try and play Devil's Advocate about things I say frequently

The last time I responded to your post was two weeks ago, when you were dumbfounded about why Cousins didn't throw the ball away (despite him being in the pocket).

When you call someone else out for being unfair, I'm going to call you on it.

but that doesn't preclude me from being fairer than most fans, which I think I am.

Usually when you're trying to convince me of how fair you are, you shouldn't take away credit right afterwards.

You know, if Wisconsin has shown a tendency to blow sizable leads, and have done so multiple times, while the other team not the tendency to comeback, well, I think it's pretty clear who should be assumed to more so cause the occurrence.

BTW, they had 4th quarter comebacks in game 1 & 4, and rallied against a better cal team. I'd say your claim is quite bogus.

Sure, Minnesota deserves credit for having heart, and they just wouldn't go away, in addition to Wisconsin shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly.

This is what I'm talking about. Even when you try to give your opponent credit, you come right back and go in the opposite direction and talk about UW giving it away. Is it that hard to give them credit without a 'but'?

This thread describes what I'm talking about

or from the OSU-Wisky thread.

I told you we get dumb with leads.

Don't worry......we'll sit on the lead and let you back in it. It's our M.O.

11-1 run down the stretch here by OSU. That's Badger basketball all year....outplay your opponent for about 35 minutes and then sit on the lead and choke on the freebies you get.

I don't find these posts to be very fair. When you consistently conclude that the outcome was from your team giving it away, that takes away credit from the opposition. You're a wisconsin fan and don't have to give the opponent any credit, but I'm going to call it as I see it, particularly when you are touting yourself or ripping others on the topic of fairness.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I don't find these posts to be very fair. When you consistently conclude that the outcome was from your team giving it away, that takes away credit from the opposition. You're a wisconsin fan and don't have to give the opponent any credit, but I'm going to call it as I see it, particularly when you are touting yourself or ripping others on the topic of fairness.

Bingo. No team in basketball or football has ever been superior to UW in his eyes--UW is always superior to every opponent, and when they lose, he claims that it is due to bad coaching, the players letting up, etc. But he claims everyone else is biased.

 

[Bernini]

Even with the game being at UW, I'd really like our chances if Turner were playing. Without him, it will be tough, but I wouldn't count us out--we very nearly won at Butler without Turner, and Butler's a much better team than UW this year, IMO.

Think again, muchacho.

Coming into the game, Wisconsin was ranked 18th in the cumulative ratings, and Butler was 34th - Massey Cumulative. If your eye for talent is that poor, the objective rankings should have prevented you from making a ridiculous, erroneous statement like Butler is a MUCH better team than Wisconsin. But you only started watching college sports two years ago because the Buckeyes were riding high in football and in the national championship game. So you'll learn with more experience following the Big Ten, making your opinions more closely match with reality. Better make the quick adjustment though because I have a feeling we won't be able to enjoy the improved you the next time the Buckeyes have an off year and you jump off the wagon.

 

[jwinslow]

That's about enough of that garbage bernini.

Argue all you want about how good Wisconsin is and make your case why he's offbase, but second half of that post isn't going to fly here.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

That's about enough of that garbage bernini.

Argue all you want about how good Wisconsin is and make your case why he's offbase, but second half of that post isn't going to fly here.

While it may have been over the line, 07 seemingly has had an axe to grind with Bernini for awhile....

 

[jwinslow]

If so, bernini feel free to report said posts by 07, but we're not going down this road in this thread

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

If so, bernini feel free to report said posts by 07, but we're not going down this road in this thread

That's too bad. I was looking forward to a good knock-down, drag-out. You suck, winslow.

 

[Bernini]

Unless of course they let us.

The only person between the two of us who shown the tendency to express self serving opinions, is you.

Your big defense behind me being biased was a bunch of quotes you snipped from me where I said certain Wisconsin squads have shown a tendency to allow the opponent into a ballgame by either slapping on a prevent D or O, in football and basketball, respectively. All that shows is my distaste for altering the strategy that was effective, and that I care about it disproportionately more when it happens with Wisconsin, which is natural because I'm a Badgers' fan and 98% of my sports posts here pertain in some way to UW. You can't show bias from me unless I contradicted myself by saying Wisconsin deserves all the credit for making a sizable comeback and it was not to the discredit of the other team for changing strategy. Can you show me where I've said that?

If you can't, then you're just making yourself look spiteful and petty. This all because I had the foresight to CORRECTLY predict, based on tendency, that Wisconsin would blow a lead against OSU in last year's Big Ten Tournament, which somehow when it came to fruition sapped the enjoyment out of the win for you. Hey, if me showing some foresight and consistently expressing a philosophy about the logical strategy in sport cheapens the enjoyment for you, just because it doesn't happen to benefit you in an individual situation, that's not my fault, it's yours.