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Who's the Greatest Buckeye Head Coach? (Please vote for ONE)

Who's the Greatest Buckeye Head Coach? (Vote for 1)

  • Paul Brown

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • Woody Hayes

    Votes: 96 70.1%
  • Jim Tressel

    Votes: 40 29.2%

  • Total voters
    137
  • Poll closed .
Best Buckeye;988800; said:
Jt has made it a good time to be a Buckeye for 7 years. How long did Woody do the same?
Not once from 1969 to 1978.... After winning it all in 1968, Woody blew golden opportunities in 1969, 1970, 1973, 1974, and 1975. Then, he went out in disgrace with the infamous punch at the end of the 1978 Gator Bowl. Hence, my vote for Tressel.

Interesting note: from 1935 to 1955, Paul Brown won 14 championships (6 at Massillon, 1 at Ohio State, 7 with the Cleveland Browns). Probably the best football coach ever, regardless of level. Hard to believe that he's no better than 3rd place at Ohio State....
 
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Thats because hardly anyone in here has heard about Brown let alone knew him. Heck he was even before my time.
While everything you say about Woody is true. It is also true that he started and lived the tradition we share today. It was he who started beating Mich on a fairly regular basis.
JT continues what Woody started, he isnt the finish or the high point of that tradition.



Yet
 
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Best Buckeye;988800; said:
Jt has made it a good time to be a Buckeye for 7 years. How long did Woody do the same?

JT has done a better job than Woody at the same point in their careers. Thats all you can fairly judge them by head to head.

If we are going to give lifetime achievement awards then Coop does need a nomination because he has the 2nd most career wins in OSU history.

I've been thinking about this one for a while and I may have voted too quickly. If JT finishes the deal this year it might be time to reconsider. The B10 win streak record is huge imo.
 
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Jaxbuck;988818; said:
JT has done a better job than Woody at the same point in their careers. Thats all you can fairly judge them by head to head.

If we are going to give lifetime achievement awards then Coop does need a nomination because he has the 2nd most career wins in OSU history.

I've been thinking about this one for a while and I may have voted too quickly. If JT finishes the deal this year it might be time to reconsider. The B10 win streak record is huge imo.
You can't change the fact that Woody started the tradition we enjoy today. the tradition that coop and JT and every other coach enjoys because of what Woody did.
 
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Best Buckeye;988814; said:
Thats because hardly anyone in here has heard about Brown let alone knew him.
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I have no feel for what other people know, but I sincerely hope you're wrong about this. It is truly pathetic that one of the most important men to the history of football would have something like that said of him by a man your age.

To ANYONE who thinks that I am overstating Paul Brown's importance to the sport: educate yourself. The man was a Buckeye; not for long enough to be the "Best Coach Ever" here, but he WAS a BUCKEYE. If our history is worth teaching to our children, then our children need to hear about Paul Brown.

Damnit
 
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DaddyBigBucks;988820; said:
I have no feel for what other people know, but I sincerely hope you're wrong about this. It is truly pathetic that one of the most important men to the history of football would have something like that said of him by a man your age.

To ANYONE who thinks that I am overstating Paul Brown's importance to the sport: educate yourself. The man was a Buckeye; not for long enough to be the "Best Coach Ever" here, but he WAS a BUCKEYE. If our history is worth teaching to our children, then our children need to hear about Paul Brown.

Damnit
Heck Daddy I agree with you. I did hear about Brown as the coach of the Browns as I didn't become a college fan until 1956. I was speaking in terms of the membership here who probably don't even knwo who he was.
Heck yesterday someone in here asked if the gold pants tradition is our s alone.
 
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Best Buckeye;988819; said:
You can't change the fact that Woody started the tradition we enjoy today. the tradition that coop and JT and every other coach enjoys because of what Woody did.


OSU football was huge before Woody. Most of the traditions pre date him.

Woody is an icon in OSU football history but he didn't start it, he presided over one of the golden ages just like Brown, Tress and to some extent Coop did. We can debate who's golden age was better and for what reason but OSU football is bigger than any one man, even Woody.
 
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Jaxbuck;988835; said:
OSU football was huge before Woody. Most of the traditions pre date him.

Woody is an icon in OSU football history but he didn't start it, he presided over one of the golden ages just like Brown, Tress and to some extent Coop did. We can debate who's golden age was better and for what reason but OSU football is bigger than any one man, even Woody.
I beg to differ with you. before Woody was the "graveyard of coaches" era at tOSU. It was Woody's ability to beat Mich that kept him in the job the first few years otherwise he would have been gone long before. Brown was the coach here for just a relatively short time.
1941 thru 1943.
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Paul Eugene Brown (September 7, 1908 - August 5, 1991) was an athletics coach of American football and a major figure in the development of the National Football League. A seminal figure in football history, Brown is considered the "father of the modern offense," with many claiming that he ranks as one of if not the greatest of football coaches in history. Such claims are backed by significant evidence: Brown dominated as a gridiron general on every major level -- high school, college, and professional.
Born in Norwalk, Ohio, Brown's family moved to Massillon when he was nine. His father Lester, a dispatcher for the Wheeling and Lake Erie Railroad, was described as "very meticulous, serious-minded and highly-disciplined," all of which characterized Brown's later approach to coaching. Brown graduated from Washington High School in Massillon, Ohio in 1925, having played varsity quarterback in the wake of Harry Stuhldreher (one of the University of Notre Dame's legendary Four Horsemen). [1]


[edit] At Ohio State prior to his job as Head Coach

Enrolling at The Ohio State University as a freshman quarterback, Brown (also known as Bruno/Pot) found his 145-pound frame would not stand the rigors of major college football, and transferred to Miami University in Ohio, losing a year of eligibility in the process. Under Coach Chester Pittser, Brown played two years and was named to the All-Ohio small college second team by the AP at the end of the 1928 season.[2] In 1930, he graduated from Miami with a B.A. in Education. He would complete his academic career in 1940 when he received an M.A. in Education from The Ohio State University.
As his academic credentials indicate, Brown was as much a teacher as he was a coach. He qualified for a Rhodes Scholarship in 1930, but he had married Katie Kester, his "high school sweetheart", in 1929 and with the coming of the Great Depression, he needed employment. His coaching career began in 1930 when he was hired as a teacher/coach at Severn School, in Severna Park, Maryland, at the time a Naval Academy preparatory.




[edit] Ohio State Buckeyes

With avid support from influential groups including the Ohio High School Football Coaches Association and future Purdue University head coach Jack Mollenkopf of Toledo Waite High School, Brown moved into the college ranks by becoming head coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes on January 14, 1941. Under Brown, the Buckeyes went 18-8-1 (1941-43). Brown's players were known for speed, intelligence, and contact; his teams for execution and fundamentals; and he was dubbed "Precision Paul"[3] at Ohio State.
In his first season at Ohio State Brown went 6-1-1, losing to Northwestern University and their running back Otto Graham, and tying Michigan. The Buckeyes tied for second place in the Western Conference, finished 13th in the AP poll, and Brown was voted fourth place on balloting for National Coach of the Year behind Frank Leahy, Bernie Bierman, and Earl Blaik.
The following year, despite losing 18 lettermen to graduation and to military service in World War II, Brown led the Buckeyes to the university's first National championship, using a team of 3 seniors, 16 juniors, and 24 sophomores. Among his players were senior Les Horvath and four former Massillon players, two of whom (Lin Houston and Tommy James) would play for the Cleveland Browns. The only loss in 1942 was on the road to Wisconsin in a game that came to be known as the "Bad-Water Game," because most of the team came down with dysentery from unsanitary water during their travel to Madison by railroad.
Brown had recruited what was reputedly the finest freshman team in Ohio history in 1942 but lost virtually all of them to military service. In 1943 Ohio State was handicapped when the school affiliated itself with the U.S. Army's ASTP officer training, which did not allow its trainees to participate in varsity sports, while schools such as Michigan and Purdue became part of the Navy's V-12 program, which did. Although the Big Ten promulgated a special wartime exemption in 1943 allowing freshmen to play varsity football, Ohio State found itself in competition against older and larger teams (both military and college) featuring players such as Elroy Hirsch. The 1943 "Baby Bucks" had only five returning players and one starter from the national champion team, six from the 1942 freshman team, and 33 17-year-old freshmen, going 3-6.
 
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Best Buckeye;988843; said:
Trivia for you Jax. the Gold pants tradition does predate Woody. How did it get started?


Mr razzle dazzle Francis A Schmidt giving a pre game speech said they put their pants on one game at a time just like us.

The rest is history.
 
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Very good, may I ask how old you are?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that during the Cooper era our players didn't know about that tradition until the Scum game every year, they hadn't heard about it.
 
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Best Buckeye;988838; said:
I beg to differ with you. before Woody was the "graveyard of coaches" era at tOSU. It was Woody's ability to beat Mich that kept him in the job the first few years otherwise he would have been gone long before. Brown was the coach here for just a relatively short time.

I know Browns time was short but none the less it was a golden age, just like when its looked back on Coop had from '95 to '98. The degrees of goldenness will be all that is debated.

As far as the graveyard of coaches yes it was called that but even during that era, football was king in Ohio. They didn't build that stadium in 1922 because of Woody. The only single guy I would ever entertain talk of being the father of OSU football is Chick Harley.

Hell, truth be told if it weren't for Jim Parker and Hop Cassady they were probably going to fire Woody after '54 from everything I have ever read on the subject.
 
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Best Buckeye;988847; said:
Very good, may I ask how old you are?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that during the Cooper era our players didn't know about that tradition until the Scum game every year, they hadn't heard about it.


I'm only 36.

I read Jack Parks OSU football encyclopedia(and anything else related to the history of OSU football) like other people read Tom Clancey novels.

Thats why I get so pissed when people ignore the old timers in these GOAT polls. You didn't have to see them play to read about them, think for a few seconds and be impressed.
 
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Jaxbuck;988850; said:
I know Browns time was short but none the less it was a golden age, just like when its looked back on Coop had from '95 to '98. The degrees of goldenness will be all that is debated.

As far as the graveyard of coaches yes it was called that but even during that era, football was king in Ohio. They didn't build that stadium in 1922 because of Woody. The only single guy I would ever entertain talk of being the father of OSU football is Chick Harley.

Hell, truth be told if it weren't for Jim Parker and Hop Cassady they were probably going to fire Woody after '54 from everything I have ever read on the subject.
And if it wasn't for Woody we would not have the tradition we have today.
true Woody was on the ropes early in his career but he survived and that is what makes Woody what he is. I don't claim that Woody is the father of OSU football . I said that he is responsible for the traditions we enjoy today. Not even that he started them. But envision a football team that had a new coach every couple or few years . Where would our tradition be then?
 
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