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Onebuckfan
classof76
After the'Rose of Cleveland' debacle in Tempe..I'm finally over it and a Buckeye can win the Heisman again.
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TampaBuckeyes
Assistant Coach
I think over the last decade the Heisman as been going downhill and really have to reach to select someone. There is more parity now than ever before and it's becoming more difficult to find 'the best' player.
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All aboard the Jordan Lynch train. Including their conference championship & Bowl game, he'll likely finish in the neighborhood of 3000/2000 yards passing/rushing and 25/25 TDs passing/rushing. MAC or not, that is obscene, and it's clear he's the best player in college football. And, if Te'O got an invite last year, in my IMO Shazier deserves a trip to NY. He's playing on another level right now.
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Crump's brother
Moxahala Park Carnie/ Rehoboth Strangler
No argument here. Lynch is a better choice than A.J. McIcantspellyourname.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
I understand what you're saying, but every time I watch Jordan Lynch play I can't figure out how his numbers are what they are. It's like smoke and mirrors; he's not very fast nor elusive, his arm strength is mediocre, and he doesn't go through very many progressions. Yet his statistics are otherworldly.
I think he sold his soul to the devil.
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bkochmc
Assistant Coach
The post below was in Hyde's thread in reference to him possibly getting an invite:
My response was going to be "If a Buckeye gets an invite it'll be Miller... Williams from Boston College will be invited before Hyde since he has over 2000 yards rushing". My thought was that historically 2,000 yard rushers are voted high for the award, so that got me doing some research over lunch... here is the all-time list, yards, and Heisman voting place:
Player, School ............. Year Yards Place (Winner)
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Marcus Allen, USC .......... 1981 2,342 1st
Mike Rozier, Nebraska ...... 1983 2,148 1st
Barry Sanders, Oklahoma St . 1988 2,628 1st
Rashaan Salaam, Colorado ... 1994 2,055 1st
Troy Davis, Iowa St. ....... 1995 2,010 5th (Eddie George)
Troy Davis, Iowa St. ....... 1996 2,185 2nd (Danny Wuerffel, Florida)
Byron Hanspard, Texas Tech . 1996 2,084 6th (Danny Wuerfell, Florida)
Ricky Williams, Texas ...... 1998 2,124 1st
LaDainian Tomlinson, TCU ... 2000 2,158 4th (Chris Weinke, FSU)
Larry Johnson, Penn St. .... 2002 2,087 3rd (Carson Palmer, USC)
J.J. Arrington, California.. 2004 2,018 8th (Matt Leinhard, USC)
Kevin Smith, UCF ........... 2007 2,567 8th (Tim Tebow, Florida)
Matt Forte, Tulane ......... 2007 2,127 No votes (Tim Tebow, Florida)
Ray Rice, Rutgers .......... 2007 2,012 No votes (Tim Tebow, Florida)
Donald Brown, Connecticut .. 2008 2,083 No votes (Sam Bradford, Oklahoma)
Andre Williams, BC ......... 2013 2,102 ???
Only a single 2,000 yard rusher has won the Heisman in the BCS era and only two others were invited to NYC. On the flip side, if you look at the schools or their teams records that might explain a little why there has been a loss of love for 2,000 yard rushers in the past decade. It also falls in line with the recent trend of the Heisman going to the "best" player on one of the top teams in the nation instead of the most deserving 'outstanding' player.
My response was going to be "If a Buckeye gets an invite it'll be Miller... Williams from Boston College will be invited before Hyde since he has over 2000 yards rushing". My thought was that historically 2,000 yard rushers are voted high for the award, so that got me doing some research over lunch... here is the all-time list, yards, and Heisman voting place:
Player, School ............. Year Yards Place (Winner)
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Marcus Allen, USC .......... 1981 2,342 1st
Mike Rozier, Nebraska ...... 1983 2,148 1st
Barry Sanders, Oklahoma St . 1988 2,628 1st
Rashaan Salaam, Colorado ... 1994 2,055 1st
Troy Davis, Iowa St. ....... 1995 2,010 5th (Eddie George)
Troy Davis, Iowa St. ....... 1996 2,185 2nd (Danny Wuerffel, Florida)
Byron Hanspard, Texas Tech . 1996 2,084 6th (Danny Wuerfell, Florida)
Ricky Williams, Texas ...... 1998 2,124 1st
LaDainian Tomlinson, TCU ... 2000 2,158 4th (Chris Weinke, FSU)
Larry Johnson, Penn St. .... 2002 2,087 3rd (Carson Palmer, USC)
J.J. Arrington, California.. 2004 2,018 8th (Matt Leinhard, USC)
Kevin Smith, UCF ........... 2007 2,567 8th (Tim Tebow, Florida)
Matt Forte, Tulane ......... 2007 2,127 No votes (Tim Tebow, Florida)
Ray Rice, Rutgers .......... 2007 2,012 No votes (Tim Tebow, Florida)
Donald Brown, Connecticut .. 2008 2,083 No votes (Sam Bradford, Oklahoma)
Andre Williams, BC ......... 2013 2,102 ???
Only a single 2,000 yard rusher has won the Heisman in the BCS era and only two others were invited to NYC. On the flip side, if you look at the schools or their teams records that might explain a little why there has been a loss of love for 2,000 yard rushers in the past decade. It also falls in line with the recent trend of the Heisman going to the "best" player on one of the top teams in the nation instead of the most deserving 'outstanding' player.
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Don't forget about the rule change that allowed bowl games to be counted toward those statistics. Many of those recent players didn't actually have 2000 yards yet when that season's Heisman Trophy was voted on and awarded. I believe that change was made around 2002 or 2003 - which just happens to coincide with the time period where the RBs you listed stopped getting votes.
Kevin Smith I think is the best comparison for what might happen with Andre Williams. I think you can throw out the rest of the post-Larry Johnson names on that list besides those two. I don't need to look up Kevin Smith's stats to know he was over 2000 before his bowl game. Similarly, Williams' chances will be hurt by the fact that he plays for a mediocre team that nobody pays attention to. I think he'll be lucky to get an invite.
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Boom. Miller goes from not on any ballot to tied for 3rd with McCarron. Hyde also received a vote.
http://heismanpundit.com/
Miller has gone from receiving 1 fifth place vote at the ESPN version of the poll, to sixth overall and appearing on six of sixteen ballots.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/
ESPN's poll of course is not scientific, but the HP version has been a very accurate predictor in the past. If Miller plays well in the B1G CCG he could be in New York to watch Jameis's coronation.
http://heismanpundit.com/
Miller has gone from receiving 1 fifth place vote at the ESPN version of the poll, to sixth overall and appearing on six of sixteen ballots.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/
ESPN's poll of course is not scientific, but the HP version has been a very accurate predictor in the past. If Miller plays well in the B1G CCG he could be in New York to watch Jameis's coronation.
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