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Which U-M loss was worse?

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Which U-M loss was worse?

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App State in a walk...Toledo has been a good D-IA team in the past, beat Penn State several seasons ago, and is generally a burr in the ass of almost anyone that plays them. Appy is a I-AA program who had trouble beating Wake a few seasons ago when Wake had trouble finding a team to win their spring scrimmage, and then got killed by LSU this year. It really isn't even close, though if you ask more specifically "Which loss shows how much disarray the program is in more" then the answer would be Toledo.
 
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I guess it all depends on how you use the term "worse". From a pure football standpoint, I would say that the Appalachian State loss was worse but my vote went to to Toledo just because of the proximity of the schools and the fact that this was the second year in a row they had been taken down by a big underdog.
 
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I posted the poll because the question was brought up on CFB Live last night on ESPN.

I'm in the camp that losing to Toledo this year was worse. Sure, the App St upset was embarrassing last season, but I think it was one of those all-timers that was destined to happen to a FBS/D1A school playing schedule-a-cupcake russian-roulette. You just knew some high profile preseason Top 5 team was eventually going to blow one of those, and it's not like App St was a bad team either. There were some on this site that actually thought App St could hang, and they did win the FCS/D1AA national title last year.

Toledo, however, is a different matter entirely. This isn't Bruce Gradkowski's record setting Rocket team of a few years ago. This Toledo squad is abso-fucking-lutely terrible. They were shut out at home by Ball St. The lost at home to FIU. This was a game that U-M would have won with Carr's staff. Even without, this is a game you find a way to win just on recruiting talent/depth alone. This is one you pull out with 14 unanswered in the 4th quarter. You find a way. It's a fucking MAC school for crying out loud ... and a bad one.
 
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I'd say the Toledo loss is worse. Like LitlBuck said, maybe "worse" isn't a precise enough word in this case... the Toledo loss is more portentous.

If I was a TSUN fan (may Woody strike me dead), I'd want to rationalize that App State was an aberration, and just a bad performance by a team led by a lame duck coach. I'd say it's of no consequence because the loss to Appy showed the world what we already knew about the program and was simply a death knell for the Lloyd Carr regime.

Toledo on the other hand... :smash: it's a killer. It's a wake up call from a nightmare that TSUN (maybe we should change that moniker to STUN this season) fans know they're into knee-deep. There's no light at the end of the tunnel like last year. Any attempt to minimize the loss is putting lipstick on a pig. It shows just how bad the program IS... which is hard to take for them because I think that they were all and crossing their fingers and holding out hope that somehow RR would be able to pull off an 8-4 or 9-3 season.

So the Toledo loss is worse simply because it signals that this season is, without a doubt, a bust and the immediate future is extremely dark and bleak.

That notion has to hurt. It must be something like having the bends. To use another analogy... It has to be like the difference between finding out your employer is a crook after you've given your two-week notice and finding that out less than two weeks into a new job. That notion has to hurt. It must be something like having the bends.
 
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ASU.

Not only did it royally fuck up last season, but the ensuing mediocrity last year led the administration towards scrapping the current system in search of a new and fresh approach. If they had gone 11-2, won the B10, made a BCS game, etc.....I don't imagine that Rodriguez would be the coach right now. Probably another "Michigan Man" who would have them sitting nicely at 5-1 or 6-0 right now. Sure, they'd lose a couple more and end at 9-3, but damnit, that's the Michigan Way! And at least they wouldn't be losing to Utah, ND, or Toledo.

Thanks, ASU! :cheers:
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
ASU.

Not only did it royally fuck up last season, but the ensuing mediocrity last year led the administration towards scrapping the current system in search of a new and fresh approach. If they had gone 11-2, won the B10, made a BCS game, etc.....I don't imagine that Rodriguez would be the coach right now. Probably another "Michigan Man" who would have them sitting nicely at 5-1 or 6-0 right now. Sure, they'd lost a couple more and end at 9-3, but damnit, that's th MIchigan Way! And at least they wouldn't be losing to Utah, ND, or Toledo.

Thanks, ASU! :cheers:
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fungo is it since toledo used to be part of michigan until the 1835-1836 war for the "toledo strip" ??
 
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osugrad21;1290265; said:
Gotta go with App State...this year was expected to be rough. Last year was supposed to be their year and App killed it early
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I agree as we are choosing which loss did more damage to Michigan's image. Their image went from a 3.5 to a 3 after the Toledo loss, but after the App State loss it went from a 9.5 to 3. Yes, those numbers have no meaning. Work with me people.
 
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kinch;1290296; said:
I agree as we are choosing which loss did more damage to Michigan's image. Their image went from a 3.5 to a 3 after the Toledo loss, but after the App State loss it went from a 9.5 to 3. Yes, those numbers have no meaning. Work with me people.
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Great post. On a scale of 1-to-e, I give that a pi.
 
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