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Which program is in a worse position?

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LordJeffBuck;1337129; said:
Michigan.

Notre Dame is still bringing in top talent, and some day fairly soon it will all click ... although Weis either: (a) won't be around to enjoy the ride, or (b) will manage to blow his chance for an NC through his own bad coaching. Talent on the field usually manages to overcome lack of talent on the sidelines ... and Notre Dame will have the benefit of easy schedules.

Weis = John Cooper.

Michigan is bringing in system talent for a system that probably won't work in the Big Ten, meaning that RichRod's teams will likely peak somewhere just past perennial mediocrity ... and his replacement will have to start over with a bunch of kids who won't be suited for his system. The Wolverines could be down for the better part of a decade if the "spread fail" doesn't provide dramatic improvement by 2010. Also, RichRod is lowering the bar in terms of admissions standards, and that will not bode well long term.

RichRod = John Blake, David McWilliams, Mike DuBose, Paul Hackett, Bill Callahan, etc.
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Agreed.. ND has the talent now, they just need someone who knows how to use and develop it. Their coach is at the end of his tenure.

scUM has a new coach, scaring away recruits and current players, and is in a team transition. He's going to be starting freshmen in key positions next year and is bound to have some major struggles, whether he makes a big improvement or not. And the new coach has proven more than Weis, but still not much. He's proven that he can lose to rivals on a regular basis, and he's proven that he's arrogant. This is the beginning for this guy.
 
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BigWoof31;1337049; said:
Empty cubbards on roster for at least a year.
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They both deserve to be panned.

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I had a somewhat long response as to why I think Michigan is in the worse position, but my browser crashed right before I hit submit so I'll just go with the abbreviated version.

Michigan is in the worse position because they have a longer road to go to turn the program around. Rich Rodriguez is not bringing in the caliber of recruits that Michigan has in the past. The Big Ten is a much tougher place to play than the Big East so I don't think he will be able to have the kind of success that Michigan fans and alumni expect.

Notre Dame is still bringing in top notch recruits and has the talent and a favorable schedule next year to compete for a BCS spot under the right coach. Weis is an atrocious college football head coach, but assuming he gets fired this year, the next head coach has enough talent to be able to make an immediate impact. That is of course that they hire a good head coach. I suggest looking at Kyle Whittingham, Chris Petersen, Gary Patterson, Bronco Mendenhall, or perhaps Turner Gill as possible replacements.
 
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FWBuckeye;1337214; said:
I had a somewhat long response as to why I think Michigan is in the worse position, but my browser crashed right before I hit submit so I'll just go with the abbreviated version.

Michigan is in the worse position because they have a longer road to go to turn the program around. Rich Rodriguez is not bringing in the caliber of recruits that Michigan has in the past. The Big Ten is a much tougher place to play than the Big East so I don't think he will be able to have the kind of success that Michigan fans and alumni expect.

Notre Dame is still bringing in top notch recruits and has the talent and a favorable schedule next year to compete for a BCS spot under the right coach. Weis is an atrocious college football head coach, but assuming he gets fired this year, the next head coach has enough talent to be able to make an immediate impact. That is of course that they hire a good head coach. I suggest looking at Kyle Whittingham, Chris Petersen, Gary Patterson, Bronco Mendenhall, or perhaps Turner Gill as possible replacements.
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I too think that tsun is worse off than ND. Not because of a lot of the examples that the rest of ya'll have identified... Here's my reasoning:

I think that ND, and the ND AD is much closer to making a change at the coaching position than tsun is. The fact of the matter is that FUPA has recruited some high quality talent... and someone taking over the program for FUPA would have a much easier road. Tsun has just begun the journey that will require at least two more years before they are a 9-3 / 10-2 team again... if they even get there. I don't believe that III's game is cut out for long term success in the Big10, but for now, I think that they are stuck with him... ND, after the loss to 'cuse may be much closer to making something happen for themselves that will allow for them to be competitive again.

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This is a really good thread - great answers. KEEP IT UP!

I'll throw another wrench into your thinking.

You're a hot-shot coordinator at John Doe State U. You've built a name for yourself and can recruit and coach your ass off.
Both Michigan and Notre Dame come calling. Both offer the same amount of money and both have similar incentive plans.

Michigan alums boosters are suspicious and gun shy since they've hired and invested so much money in Rodriguez and gotten three wins as a result. Irish alums and boosters are at their wits end! So much money and so many coaches! When will things turn around?

Which position would you take?

(assume the UT position has already been filled by a rum soaked, cotton-eyed drunk with horrible facial scars and a sincere love of the single wing offense)
 
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BigWoof31;1337243; said:
This is a really good thread - great answers. KEEP IT UP!

I'll throw another wrench into your thinking.

You're a hot-shot coordinator at John Doe State U. You've built a name for yourself and can recruit and coach your ass off.
Both Michigan and Notre Dame come calling. Both offer the same amount of money and both have similar incentive plans.

Michigan alums boosters are suspicious and gun shy since they've hired and invested so much money in Rodriguez and gotten three wins as a result. Irish alums and boosters are at their wits end! So much money and so many coaches! When will things turn around?

Which position would you take?

(assume the UT position has already been filled by a rum soaked, cotton-eyed drunk with horrible facial scars and a sincere love of the single wing offense)
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I'd take the Michigan job because in my eyes it is a more prestigious program. Though I might be a little bit biased because of how connected we are to Michigan through the rivalry. Also I've been to Ann Arbor and I thought it was a great college town. Never been to South Bend so I can't really comment on it.
 
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1. I would agree with those who stated Notre Dame will take the longest to recover, BUT ND has a decent QB who will be in his thrid year and I don't think he'll be going pro in 2010. Michigan will have to play the Irish in the thrid game of the season, with a brand new QB trying to pick up the system. I don't anticipate a wolverine victory. ND will then face Purdue with a new coach and Michigan State without Ringer. They could be five and oh without much sweat. That alone could all but save whale ass his job. which brings me to

2. The Big 10 conference is way down. In a head-to-head match up with the SEC and Big 12 they'd lose their ass and the bowl match ups frankly scare me. (hell, B10 match up against the Utah's and MACs of this world now sucks) Given what a very senior OSU team looked like through this season I have no confidence in the bowl game or next year. The fact that the bucks coulda/shoulda beaten Penn State doesn't fill me with optimism for next year's Big 10 championship either.

Economics, this down turn with Ohio's unemployment at 7 and probably more realisticially at 11 or 12, does not make the place attractive. Michigan's unemployment figure is probably even worse. More and more population and opportunity will be looking south. That can't help recruiting.

So what saves the B10? The fact that the SEC talent is spread out to five or six teams as is that of the Big 12. The fact that other than USC, the Pac 12 isn't much better.

I've seen better days.
 
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