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Upset in the Books, Focus Now Shifts to a Coach?s Future

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The Detroit Free Press
Lloyd Carr is 113-37 in 13 seasons at Michigan, but has lost to rival Ohio State the last three years.

Appalachian State?s surreal victory over No. 5 Michigan on Saturday will resonate as one of the great upsets in college football history.
Instead of paying $400,000 for what was supposed to be an easy victory, Michigan now finds itself as the focus of two of the bigger story lines of this college football season: Will this be Coach Lloyd Carr?s final year at Michigan? And if so, will Les Miles leave Louisiana State to help revive his alma mater?
Even before the stunning and demoralizing loss, Carr?s stepping down after this season was a possibility.
An agent for many coaches said yesterday that there was a strong feeling in coaching circles that Carr would not be back.
A public records request by The Ann Arbor News in January unearthed a slight but significant change in the wording of Carr?s contract. The wording for how Carr could obtain $300,000 in deferred compensation on July 1, 2008, changed from his working as the ?head football coach? at Michigan to his working at Michigan ?in any capacity.? (It is written elsewhere in Carr?s contract that he will become an associate athletic director when he retires as the coach.)

Entire article: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/03/sports/ncaafootball/03michigan.html
 
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Saw31;925816; said:
Win out? You can't be serious...
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No, not at all Saw, I was just exploring the thought. In reality unless they improve in leaps and bounds I don't see them winnin more than, oh , 5 games. And since they didn't look like they even improved at all between games I have my doubts as to whether or not they will improve or just implode.
dang typing keys lol
 
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Best Buckeye;925823; said:
No, not at all Saw, I was just exploring the thought. In reality unless they improve in leaps and bounds I don't see them winnin more than, oh ,
5 games. And since they didn't look like they even improved at all betwenn games I have my doubts as to whether or not they will improve or just implode.
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Well, that sounds more reasonable and realistic. This scUM team has real problems. Not just problems with focus and attitude and preparation. That defense just isn't ever going to be very good, and I have to think that the fingers are starting to get pointed in that locker room at this point. They are at the "point of no return" for this season, if they haven't already passed that point...
 
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Saw31;925834; said:
Well, that sounds more reasonable and realistic. This scUM team has real problems. Not just problems with focus and attitude and preparation. That defense just isn't ever going to be very good, and I have to think that the fingers are starting to get pointed in that locker room at this point. They are at the "point of no return" for this season, if they haven't already passed that point...
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You got all this right. For example, I think there was more to Matthews blow up then what you saw on the field. JMO that was just the tip of the iceberg.
 
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Best Buckeye;925839; said:
You got all this right. For example, I think there was more to Matthews blow up then what you saw on the field. JMO that was just the tip of the iceberg.
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Luckily for scUM, they just happen to be playing a team this week that's even more horrible then they are...Can a win here change a season around? Not IMO. They will still have that same horrible defense the week after...
 
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Saw31;925841; said:
Luckily for scUM, they just happen to be playing a team this week that's even more horrible then they are...Can a win here change a season around? Not IMO. They will still have that same horrible defense the week after...
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I doubt that a win here can change their season around. I mean they are still going to lose to the wiscy's or psu's or whoever they play of that caliber. I don't know tsun's sched but i have my doubts if they can beat Purdue if they play. Can they outscore Minn? They probaly can beat Ill, or Ind. see what I mean?
And with every loss it is just going to get worse for them and the fans and the admin.
GAWD I love it :biggrin:
 
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What I've seen of the rest of their competition leads me to think that a resurrection isn't impossible. The question will be if they can win without Henne this week. You're not going to beat too many teams with a three play offense. It shocks me that there was nothing on the bench other than a true freshman QB to turn to.

The entire Big 10 seems to be open to scrutiny. Only Penn State gathered glory this weekend and that against a Notre Dame team that may be their worst in decades. Morelli didn't impress me. Wisconsin squeaked by, OSU put the ball on the ground five times and gave up a safety, Minnesota needed three overtimes, at home, to beat a projected middle of the road MAC team.

I'd say it's been a long time since the league has been so even, top to bottom and a long time since its overall strength has been so low. Michigan stands as good a chance as anybody if Hart and Henne staqy healthy and those wide receivers start making plays.

If they catch an early break or two against the Irish, get on a roll, this team could come back. Logic tells me the talent simply has to be there. What might be interesting would be what the bowls would do with a 10 - 2, 9 - 3 Big Ten champ. Why would the Rose Bowl want Michigan back if the team they were to play was the same Oregon team that crushed them on Saturday?
 
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OCBucksFan;925768; said:
Though one of them may, I wouldn't be too surprised if they didn't. Tedford has a good job at Cal and Les Miles is doing very well over at LSU, I realize that a lot of fans don't like Miles but if he wins a NC this year I am sure that will change.

It's funny to me, I have been reading Missagain blogs today, I like to read their misery and some actually think they can get Pete Carroll to leave USC for the tsun job.

Right now the scUM job doesn't look to appealing in my opinion, a lot of recruits are thinking twice and the teams needs pretty much a full rebuild. Not to mention you know that at the end of every year is a rival team that is doing well in recruiting and loves nothing more than to kick the crap out of you.
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I'm surprised nobody is mentioning Urban Meyer (even though there is no way he would leave Florida);since, when he was at Utah, he had an "escape clause" in his contract where he could leave without any penalty for one of his three dream jobs (Notre Dame, Michigan, or Ohio State).

Interestingly enough, he was offered the head coaching job at Notre Dame and turned it down in 2004. According to the article: Meyer, a practicing Catholic, wasn't convinced he could turn around Notre Dame's football program*, which has posted a winning record only three times in the past six seasons and hasn't won a bowl game since beating Texas A&M, 24-21, in the Cotton Bowl after the 1993 season.

But Meyer said Florida's seven-year, $14 million offer and the opportunity to coach in one of the top conferences in the nation were too good for the 40-year-old coach to pass on.

* which shows that he is a lot smarter than Charlie Wies.:biggrin:

Meyer Goes to Fla., Not Notre Dame (washingtonpost.com)
SI.com - NCAA Football - Utah's Meyer spurns Irish, takes 7-year, $14M deal*to coach Gators - Saturday December 4, 2004 2:05PM

FWIW, there is actually a copy of Meyer's Florida contract posted on the internet.
http://images.usatoday.com/sports/graphics/coaches_contracts/pdfs/florida_fb.pdf
 
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ScriptOhio;925886; said:
Interestingly enough, he was offered the head coaching job at Notre Dame and turned it down in 2004. According to the article: Meyer, a practicing Catholic, wasn't convinced he could turn around Notre Dame's football program*, which has posted a winning record only three times in the past six seasons and hasn't won a bowl game since beating Texas A&M, 24-21, in the Cotton Bowl after the 1993 season.
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Obviously, you didn't get the memo.:wink2:

It's taken as an article of faith by the domers that Notre Dame turned Meyer down. He told them that he'd need to bring in questionable recruits in terms of academics and character, and the Notre Dame administration told him to look elsewhere for a job.:smash:

Seriously, I couldn't make this crap up. It's stuff like this that makes it so easy to root for Michigan against Notre Dame. I mean how hard is it to admit that the guy wasn't interested in your job? Did Ohio State fans act like such petulant children, to the point of making up b.s. stories, when Gruden and Belloti expressed disinterest in the Ohio State job. Of course, it's probably easier for us, because we actually ended up with a good coach.
 
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Eh...fortunately for us he's going to be back next year. scUM won't fire him just yet because he's almost a legend up there with his wins over Cooper and a NC. Remember how many times Cooper had to lose to TSUN before he got fired. He'll probably retire soon but it'll be on his terms and it probably won't be until he has a good season with a win over OSU and a BCS bowl appearence.

That's just my opinion.
 
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